Posted on 12/23/2017 3:43:05 AM PST by RoosterRedux
The New York Times on Saturday reported on a mysterious interaction between the U.S. Navy and what could only be called UFOs. The sighting, which took place in 2004, involved a U.S. Navy Aegis cruiser, seven Hornet and Super Hornet strike fighter jets, and a pair of unknown objects. The sighting, which was rumored but unsubstantiated for a decade remains unexplained to this day.
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According to the Times:
For two weeks, the operator said, the Princeton had been tracking mysterious aircraft. The objects appeared suddenly at 80,000 feet, and then hurtled toward the sea, eventually stopping at 20,000 feet and hovering. Then they either dropped out of radar range or shot straight back up.
[From an excerpt from Carrier Air Wing 11’s event summary for November 14, 2004 at source:]
There are several interesting details about the sighting here. For one, there were clearly two unidentified objects. The first was a large underwater object that was “much larger than a submarine.” For reference, the U.S. Virginia-class nuclear attack submarines are 377 feet long. The object also had some passing resemblance to a “downed airliner.” This was technically a USO, or unidentified swimming object. Although much rarer than UFOs, such craft have been sighted over the years.
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Well, the fightersweep.com article is certainly interesting.
He wrote a lot of evil/dark novels. It’s not shocking that he ended up with his experiences. He seems to have moved more toward the evil hypothesis. He has always noted that there were incidents over-blanked with evil. And maybe some evil critters. We don’t know that he has decided all the critters are evil, yet. We don’t check on him frequently. Housemate used to be a subscriber to his UNKNOWN country.
You are welcome. However, if you are an RC, brace yourself. There are some rather surprising things in it—well documented, however.
He’s reading this thread. But I will make a special point of passing along your greetings. He has always felt warmly towards you and memories related to you, as well.
So, you believe that all of these ‘sightings’ of objects and purported ‘abductions’ represent ET visitors?
Supposedly even some of the abductions are managed by our military, at this time.
And, there have been reports for a lot of years that our military personnel in uniform have been seen on the critters larger craft serving some function working with the critters.
But do you believe that we ARE being visited by ETs? And if not, what do you mean by ‘critters’?
This is the belief of L.A. Marzulli, Dr Chuck Missler, Tom Horn, Cris Putnam, Guy Malone, and largely, essentially Dr J Allen Hynek and Dr Jacques Vallee agree that these entities, critters, are evil spiritual entities that come from an evil spiritual dimension.
The powers that be have been carefully, gradually brainwashing the global citizens to believe they are ET's from at least the time of the radio experiment WAR OF THE WORLDS. And it was a carefully constructed experiment with significant oligarchy involvement.
All the major sci fi movies have similarly continued and refined the brainwashing in a variety of ways.
Christ warned that the GREAT DECEPTION of the end times would be so great that were it possible, even the Believers would be deceived.
Secular man has forsaken the authentic Almighty God Yehovah. But they are desperate for a savior so the enemy is happy to provide ET pretenders to fill the bill--probably as good cop/bad cop--some playing one role and some playing the other role.
And the charade and the band will play on.
I think you have misinterpreted Hynek and Vallee somewhat; but thanks anyway.
Dr J Allen Hynek reportedly believed similarly but may not have put it quite so starkly. Hynek had more and closer experiences with such things in his government jobs. How much is not clear.
I haven't talked to either one face to face. Time will tell.
I think they believed that the phenomena as a whole may represent a number of different ‘things’.
It doesn’t strike me that Vallee believed it was all ‘evil spiritual entities’ if he would say, “I’ll be disappointed if UFOs turn out to be only spacecraft from outer space.”
I think he was interested in how study and attempting to understand all of this might inform our as yet paltry grasp of the real natures of time and space.
By the way, still remember when this incident caused quite a stir in Southern California
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ahq_nvl1Jw
We tend to read that a bit differently. We think he meant that if it all turned out to be simple tangible craft etc. etc. etc. then it would not be as complex and interesting as he'd so far observed, researched it to be.
Our reading of Dr Vallee's 3? books depicted Vallee's perspective as fairly consistent across all of his books. He meticulously and tediously to the point of almost boredom documented how the ET/UFO stuff rather shockingly closely paralleled poltergeist and other dark occult goings on in the night through the centuries.
It did not seem to us that his perspective was all that diverse, at the point of his writing those books.
We vaguely recall that.
His thinking is very diverse on the issue; he has not ruled out entirely the ‘ET’ hypothesis. He’s actually pretty noncommittal when it comes to trying to nail this down - and that is in line with his main theme of the necessity of studying all of this scientifically.
I think he meant that the phenomena, historically, often echoed the beliefs that were current during the times when they displayed; and as we have grown more technologically advanced they have taken on the tone of our current cultural references. He recognized an element of - for want of a better word - the ‘psychological’. (I think the ‘control system’ that he suggests could very well be a collectively self-imposed one which is inherent to the development of our consciousness.)
He’s been doing online interviews over the past few years; you might be interested in how his thought developed after his earlier books.
He also has demonstrated a capacity to frame things a little differently in more public forums vs privately.
Both of us believe that the CONTROL FUNCTION Vallee describes is much more than you outlined. We both see Vallee as insisting that the whole of the behavior of the critters and their craft are deliberately structured and calibrated to engineer subtle to not so subtle and wholesale effective control mechanisms on our culture, our society. And the big question is--to what ends.
And on that score the issue of the degree of evil involved is a very important one.
We hope Vallee hasn't been turned 'to the dark side.'
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Haha. Nice!
If you insist on reading Vallee through the very particular, subjective lens of your own religious beliefs, you won’t understand the breadth of his thought.
Try this; it’s short:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S98WGpzW1Q
Thanks for the conversation, and Merry Christmas!
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