i'll say it again, take out ALL their electric generating capacity and make them ALL live in the dark for the next five years till they get their mind right
Posted on 07/30/2017 11:33:35 AM PDT by Strac6
If history has taught us anything, it has taught us that failure to deal with dictators early in their existence only ensures that we must deal with them later, at a much higher price.
For example, Hitler’s orders to his troops during what amounted to Germany’s invasion of Austria was that they were to retreat and return to Germany at the slightest effective resistance. However, Austria (and the rest of Europe) tried to appease Hitler, and the 10 years was a glaring example of the history referenced above.
This is the situation we are currently facing regarding North Korea and Kim Jong-Un. Actually, it’s the situation we have faced since the Clinton administration first appeased North Korea and Kim’s father decades ago. The reality is that Kim is far from the madman some would like to portray him as. He is ruthless, smart, and as a result of those two “attributes”, he is getting what he wants on the world stage. His latest test launches prove he has developed intercontinental range ballistic missiles. The question of whether or not he can currently fit a nuclear warhead to the top of those missiles is moot. If he cannot now do so, he will be able to do so, and most certainly will do so in the very near future.
Once he has nuclear -tipped ICBMs Kim can dictate what he wants, not just on the Korean Peninsula and the surrounding waters, but throughout the entire world. So the reality becomes that we must either stop them now, or stop him at a much greater cost later when the threat of his retaliation becomes reality, or perhaps, following the current trends of the Western world, be prepared to dance to his tune for the next millennia.
We cannot depend on China to stop North Korea. North Korea provides a great service to China, and I’m not talking about the coal the PRC imports from the DPRK. North Korea is a huge practical, strategic and diplomatic thorn in our side in eastern Asia. By forcing the United States to devote a large percentage of our defense expenditures and interests onto the Korean Peninsula, we take a great deal of pressure off Beijing.
Likewise the Japanese do not have the ability, the constitutional authority, nor the will to defeat the North Koreans. The news leader of South Korea has absolutely no intestinal fortitude to take on his northern neighbor, and has publicly said so. The bottom line is that the Japanese would be more than willing to help to the degree they can while the South Koreans “held our coats” if we decided to take definitive action against North Korea.
Another reality is that despite all the noise the Chinese and Russians would make if we decided to take out North Korea as an effective nuclear power, they really wouldn’t mind it that much, Moscow and Beijing both realize North Korean missiles can fly west just as easily as they can fly east.
The problem is, we need one, overriding, war-justifying act on the part of Kim to trigger a response. The “smart part” of Kim has been careful to push us to the brink, but not over it, and in the process, neither justifying nor triggering a military response to his launches.
Without that tipping-point justification we are severely limited by the political realities of the 21st century world. Kim’s latest ICBM launch may however point us in the direction of the solution to justify what history tells us is necessary.
The latest two launches have not followed traditional missile parabolas. Rather than launching for maximum range, these missiles have impacted only a short horizontal distance away from the launching point after having traveled to exceptionally high altitudes before heading back into the atmosphere. The now-demonstrated ability to achieve these total distances traveled by the missiles, including a 40 minute time-of-flight of the latest launch, prove that by simply reprogramming the missiles trajectory into a more horizontal plane they could have easily struck most of North America, including a majority of the East Coast of the United States.
So, in order to give us the justification we need, why don’t we help Kim do that?
Granted, I am slipping back into the days of dirty tricks diplomacy, but that worked exceptionally well for decades, why not give it another chance with this opportunity presents itself so well, as it does here, and the price of not taking effective action is so high.
The concept, which a few million dollars, yen, yuan in bribes could undoubtably create, would be to hack into the guidance computers of the next North Korean missile launch and lower the trajectory so the unarmed nosecone does in fact impact somewhere North America. Now I realize the danger that the relatively rudimentary guidance of a North Korean ICBM might create an impact in some good union worker’s house in the suburbs of Pittsburgh and kill the family pet turtle, but since Kim is launching without nuclear warheads, that would be a small price to pay for the justification of an attack that would completely eliminate his nuclear, missile, and other large-scale affective capabilities.
Think about it. As bizarre as it is, this errant missile impact would give POTUS the justification to do basically anything he wanted to do in return and retaliation. Even the screaming pinkos would be relatively silent when the president’s actions were so “clearly justified.”
Yes, I know it’s bizarre. But by 1939, Hitler’s aggressive war intentions were clearly understood throughout the world. Likewise Tojo had decreed the “Greater Southeast Asia Co-prosperity Severe.” Both had stated their intention to conquer the West in much less virulent terms then Kim uses now. If you were given the opportunity to go back in time and stop Hitler or Tojo before 30 million people died to fulfill their psychotic dreams, would you not do so?
Given the opportunity to stop Kim now, should we not do so? In fact, must not we do so...now?
Anyone else have any better ideas as to how to get away with it?
His testing is enough of a provocation to act now. Each test improves his capability and increases the risk on others since he is an unstable mad man.
Well, North Korea is the upper part of a large peninsula with the Sea of Japan on the east and the Yellow Sea on the West. What would prevent the US from launching missiles that fly over North Korea and drop into the Yellow Sea?
i'll say it again, take out ALL their electric generating capacity and make them ALL live in the dark for the next five years till they get their mind right
And your solution is?
I hope it is not to deny that if we do not solve this problem, Kim will “solve it for us.”
I again ask the question, had you the opportunity to stop Hitler or Tojo in 1938, would you do so, even if it meant killing them, and perhaps a dozen others, including yourself?
Exactly. The questions are “how” and “when”, not “if.”
Whatever you say.
Our company is paying 32% already. Would 57% be enough? We and tens of thousands of other import-based companies would have to lay off a million American workers - but it's for the greater good, so that's OK. /s
China will never "solve" the NK problem because they are still fighting WWII against Japan. They like the idea that NK lies in between - and hates Japan even more than they do. That's why THAAD freaked them out so much - it might actually work to neutralize a potential NK (or Chinese) missile threat against Japan. However, China isn't going to intervene on Kim's behalf, either.
I think it's time to deploy some of our secret stuff that we have been saving to use against Russia. Use space-based technologies to destroy NK's launch capabilities without a word of explanation, or even an admission that it happened. Send him back into hibernation. Overthrowing the Kim regime is too big a task for the fractured US government to take on right now - we have a cold civil war to settle, first.
China ‘IS’ N.Korea....understanding the operating parties in this matter is significant as we know.
Currently both China and Russia have put on huge Military displays...”first times” at those specific events.
There’s far more to solving N.Korea than N.Korea.....
Neither Russia nor China want war....they fully know the outcome if that were to happen. And BTW there was opportunity to stop Hitler earlier rather than later.
I don’t say. I ask.
What is your solution to the problem? If you don’t like mine, I respectfully ask, do you have a better one?
No.... Bears fans are okay.
North Korea would be a great place to use kinetic energy weapons that use super dense projectiles that drop at high speed either from orbit or from the tip of an ICBM. These weapons deliver a nuclear like punch but without the radiation or fallout. These weapons have supposedly been under development for decades
1 year after then threat was removed, DPRK would be a distant memory.
I remember how upset the SOVs and PRC were going to be if we ever mined Haiphong harbor.
We finally did, and nothing happened as a result, because nothing could upset our foods trade.
Damn, might get Mike Ditka, and that should never happen.
How about Madison, WI, or Bezerkly, CA?
Trump has seen the light. Next, preemptive strikes on North Korea’s nuclear facilities and missile factories. Show them what the MOABs can do from the B-52s. Do a hit on the fat pig with a few cruise missiles. Take down any missiles going into S. Korea from our naval fleet. EMP the entire nation with a high altitude drop by the B-1B. No more pussy-footing around!
Well, you know, man.
How about first, we cease giving him money, fuel and food, and refuse to allow any products made in that enterprise zone into the USA? Also, all banks and nations that do any business with the norks are utterly frozen out of America.
Not as dramatic as spoofing one of their rockets into impacting Denver, but...
And as cool as DC types think they are, fake causus belli is utter BS crap. Always looking for a damned shortcut, that’s the problem with DC people. The USS Maine wasn’t mined in Havana, the Poles didn’t attack a radio station inside Germany in 1939, the Gulf of Tonkin wasn’t what we were told, the missile gap was a lie, the bomber gap was a joke, Kuwaiti babies weren’t thrown from incubators, Iraqs WMDs were a joke, Belgian babies weren’t being bayoneted by Germans,,,
Anyone remember Operation Northwoods? Where Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs wanted JFK to let them conduct false flag attacks to pretend Cuba was attacking America?
My idea? Howzabout Just ONCE, instead of lying more than a woman of reproductive age, and concocting fake BS, maybe DC should make an intelligent, coherent case, go before Congress, ask for a Declaration or War, and then simply attack them.
“we have a cold civil war to settle, first. “
THIS
Agree with you in the theoretical, but do you think for one minute that the Washington Weenies would give him a DOW?
Remember, even on December 8, 1941, one day after Pearl Harbor, one Dem voted against a DOW.
Also, re: the “fake causus belli”...
Please remember, they all worked in the moment.
“Show them what the MOABs can do from the B-52s”
MOABs are dropped from C-130s. Flying a C-130 over North Korea is an experience best left to the imagination.
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