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May 1857
Harper's Magazine archives (subscription required) ^ | May 1857

Posted on 05/01/2017 5:09:36 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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Free Republic University, Department of History presents U.S. History, 1855-1860: Seminar and Discussion Forum
Bleeding Kansas, Dred Scott, Lincoln-Douglas, Harper’s Ferry, the election of 1860, secession – all the events leading up to the Civil War, as seen through news reports of the time and later historical accounts

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Reading: Self-assigned. Recommendations made and welcomed. To add this class to or drop it from your schedule notify Admissions and Records (Attn: Homer_J_Simpson) by reply or freepmail.

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1 posted on 05/01/2017 5:09:36 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
Monthly Record of Current Events * – 2-5
Editor’s Drawer – 6-12
Original Comicalities – 13-14
Fashions for May – 15-16

* The Senate confirmed a treaty with Britain relating to Central America. “The Executive declined to lay before the Senate the treaty negotiated with Mexico by Mr. Forsyth; and the draft of a new treaty has been prepared. It proposes the purchase from Mexico of the territory comprised in the States of Sonora, Sinaloa, and Lower California, including the Gulf of California. The sum proposed to be paid for these new acquisitions is stated at some twelve or fifteen millions of dollars.” Commercial treaties have also been negotiated with Persia, Venezuela, Chili and Siam.

Sixty people died in a train wreck in Canada.

Governor Geary’s farewell address describing the state of affairs in Kansas – upon his arrival and now – is detailed.

The people of Utah are angry about not being allowed into the union and are acting out.

There is also much news of Southern America, Great Britain, the Continent, and the East.

2 posted on 05/01/2017 5:12:06 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

What a fantastic idea!

Please add me to the class list!

I think I have an apple for you around here somewhere......


3 posted on 05/01/2017 5:26:11 AM PDT by RepRivFarm ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

The lace drapery on page 15 is less fussy than some previous get-ups.


4 posted on 05/01/2017 5:42:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? CRISTO! Y a su Nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Brits in China having a rough go of it, disguised attackers, heads cut off... all quite primitive, doubtless will soon fade with the March of Progress, right?


5 posted on 05/01/2017 5:53:02 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: RepRivFarm

Thanks for your interest. Welcome aboard.


6 posted on 05/01/2017 11:27:40 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

It didn’t seem to come out in the story that the Brits are fighting to make China safe and secure for their opium trade.


7 posted on 05/01/2017 3:47:01 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
[Continued from April 30 (reply #101).]

May 5. . . . Eisfeld’s last concert tonight with Ellie. . . .

Mrs. Cunningham’s trial has commenced before Judge Davies. City Hall is crowded, of course, but the proceedings interest people comparatively little. Nobody supposes that Mrs. Cunningham can possibly be convicted. Very many hold her entirely innocent. . . .

The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

8 posted on 05/05/2017 5:07:44 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: colorado tanker
Colorado tanker: ** "Brits are fighting to make China safe and secure for their opium trade." **

Ah, the Second Opium War, seems Brits have asked Americans to get involved, which we declined, we're neutral.
But we do seem to pop up now and then at moments convenient to the Brits.
One of our ships is in the area now, could play some role at Taku Forts near Bejing in the future.
You might have heard of her?
USS Powhattan:


9 posted on 05/05/2017 8:23:49 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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It didn’t seem to come out in the story that the Brits are fighting to make China safe and secure for their opium trade.

They need the profits on the opium to pay the dividends to the investors to retain their support for the East India Company's adventurism in India. I understand things are quite calm in India ...

10 posted on 05/05/2017 8:47:45 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? CRISTO! Y a su Nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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It didn’t seem to come out in the story that the Brits are fighting to make China safe and secure for their opium trade.

They need the profits on the opium to pay the dividends to the investors to retain their support for the East India Company's adventurism in India. I understand things are quite calm in India ...

Also, I see (bottom right Page 5), that the Dutch Boers have gained territory in Natal due to a succession crisis among the Zulus. I wonder what will come of that ...

11 posted on 05/05/2017 8:49:55 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? CRISTO! Y a su Nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Tax-chick

Huh.


12 posted on 05/05/2017 8:50:26 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? CRISTO! Y a su Nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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And now that I think of it, there's a certain Dutch American who has already earned a fortune by trading Opium in China, now retired.
But I wonder if economic collapse might cause him enough hardship to force his return to China, soon.

You might remember him?

Warren Delano, Jr.

Who does he remind us of?

13 posted on 05/05/2017 8:52:14 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

Heck of a schnozz.


14 posted on 05/05/2017 8:58:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? CRISTO! Y a su Nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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Per my recent reading Powhatan will be the most powerful ship in the U.S. Navy in 1860. Her CO will receive conflicting orders and the mix-up will have her deploying to Florida when her presence was really required in Charleston Harbor to assist in a resupply operation for the Ft. Sumter garrison.


15 posted on 05/05/2017 9:43:12 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: BroJoeK

He’s a little Churchillian around the droopy eyes.


16 posted on 05/05/2017 10:03:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? CRISTO! Y a su Nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: BroJoeK
Interesting that a Puritan family would have no scruples about selling opium to the Chinese.

Also interesting that opium contributed to the wealth of the family who my crystal ball tells me might reach high office in the distant future.

17 posted on 05/05/2017 1:37:04 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

I do see where Delanos were originally from Massachusetts, which could make them Puritans and not Dutch.
And I note where their famous descendants with Dutch names were Episcopalian.
So, just guessing here, maybe religion was not a strong factor in their lives?

Another interesting to note is where *some* Americans turned toward and became friendly with Japan, others like Warren Delano and his descendants became much more attached to China.

Of course from our current perspective in 1857, both are very remote, but we have to wonder if it will make a big difference in, oh, say, approximately 80 years?

;-)


18 posted on 05/05/2017 2:44:42 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Tax-chick; colorado tanker

You know, as I look around, I may have the picture of Warren Delano Sr. not his son Warren Jr. who made is fortunate in the China opium trade.
If so, the family resemblance is all the more remarkable to that future grandson who will carry the Delano name.

The one who convinced us by his personal example that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

But speaking of fear, here in 1857 I feel an economic panic coming just around the corner, one deep enough to send our Warren Delano back to China to recoup his lost fortune.


19 posted on 05/05/2017 2:55:24 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Seems like Powhattan was the Forest Gump of it’s time.


20 posted on 05/05/2017 2:57:04 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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