Posted on 04/28/2017 4:23:08 PM PDT by SteveH
At some point in the past two millennia — peanuts on an evolutionary time scale — humans transformed their horses into equine speed demons. Selective breeding had a price, though, beyond $30,000 vials of pedigreed racehorse sperm. Unhelpful mutations plagued the animals. The current population of domesticated horses is about 55 million, but at some point in their history, their genetic diversity crashed. The Y chromosomes of all the world's stallions are now quite similar, suggesting that only a relatively few males were the ancestors of today's horses.
Humans have not always bred so selectively, according to a study published in the journal Science on Thursday. Horse domestication began about 5,500 years ago. Ancient equestrians “were not interested in superfast animals. They were more interested in diversity and potential,” said Ludovic Orlando, a professor of molecular archaeology at the University of Copenhagen's Natural History Museum of Denmark and an author of the new study.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
“By definition, no Thoroughbred is the result of artificial insemination.”
I was referencing that the JC can give racing permits for horses that are in essence thoroughbreds by heritage. Delaware Thoroughbred Racing Commission accepts these racing permits.
And your evidence for this is ?
ML/NJ
“And your evidence for this is ?”
Jockey Club and Delaware Thoroughbred Racing Commission.
Jockey Club and Delaware Thoroughbred Racing Commission.
Your say-so is not evidence. Post a link, an image obviously from some JC/DTRC document, or please stop annoying me.
ML/NJ
3. RACING PERMIT A. The Jockey Club, in its discretion and for good cause, may issue a Racing Permit for any horse which has been genetically typed and parentage analyzed and whose dam qualified, but whose sire did not qualify. The Jockey Club may consider any other relevant factors in its determination and may require the owner and/or breeder to provide additional information which the The Jockey Club deems necessary. A horse issued a Racing Permit cannot be considered a Thoroughbred for breeding purposes and cannot be entered into The American Stud Book. The term “Racing Permit” should always accompany the name of the horse in any trade journal or racetrack program.
The Jockey Club
“Registration Certificate”: A document issued by the Jockey Club of Kentucky certifying as to the name, age, color, sex, pedigree and breeder of a horse as registered by number with the Jockey Club, shall be deemed to refer also to the document known as a “racing permit” issued by the Jockey Club in lieu of a “registration certificate” when a horse is recognized as a Thoroughbred for racing purposes in the United States, but is not recognized as a Thoroughbred for breeding purposes insofar as registering its progeny with the Jockey Club.
Delaware.gov
I believe you misinterpret this. The sire still has to mate with a mare to produce a horse which is allowed to compete as a Thoroughbred. It is the sire that may be of questionable origin.
I'm curious why you seem to care so much about this. I've been attending real Throughbred races for more than 50 years now. This year I will attend my 52nd consecutive Belmont Stakes and my 50th Travers. (I missed in 2008 for an overseas wedding!) This has never appeared to be an issue insofar as I am aware.
ML/NJ
“I believe you misinterpret this.”
Since I have interpreted nothing, I cannot have misinterpreted it. I have been asking for information.
But since we are now interpreting, it says ANY horse. It does not refer to how it is conceived.
“I’m curious why you seem to care so much about this. I’ve been attending real Throughbred races for more than 50 years now. This year I will attend my 52nd consecutive Belmont Stakes and my 50th Travers. (I missed in 2008 for an overseas wedding!) This has never appeared to be an issue insofar as I am aware.”
Education is always good.
Well since education is always good, please educate me as to the name and pedigree of any single Thoroughbred that was artificially inseminated and raced in a race at any recognized (by Equibase) US racetrack.
"The Jockey Club has never allowed artificial insemination"
ML/NJ
“”The Jockey Club has never allowed artificial insemination””
They can’t stop artificial insemination.
“Well since education is always good, please educate me as to the name and pedigree of any single Thoroughbred that was artificially inseminated and raced in a race at any recognized (by Equibase) US racetrack.”
I said I was curious and interested in getting educated. Why do you quiz me on that which I do not know?
OTOH, you ignored my question to you.
Because you have pretended to know throughout this thread, and I felt like undressing you. People such as yourself are an embarrassment to FreeRepublic.
ML/NJ
“Because you have pretended to know throughout this thread, and I felt like undressing you. People such as yourself are an embarrassment to FreeRepublic.”
LOL! Please show where I ‘pretended’ to know.
“Because you have pretended to know throughout this thread”
LOL. I was curious and it turns out my first post was to you! Here it is. I plainly state that I do not know the details. And you post to JR that I am pretending to know something! As you can see, I am referencing NON-thoroughbreds.
The Jockey Club may issue a ‘racing permit’ for non-thoroughbreds that is accepted by state racing commissions.
I am sure they are very selective in granting this but I don’t know the details.
and certain members of LGBT crowd
They're talking about breeding by humans over the last 5500 years, which is nothing on an evolutionary scale. The eohippus was a small dog-sized creature 55 million (note: not 55 hundred... that's four order of magnitude more) years ago... so much for your "never"...
However, the Equidae family tree does include the Equus, so you may rest assured that your ass is included in that evolutionary lineage.
None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
That’s just a bunch of fossils lined up in a row. I could easily line up a spoon at one end, a pot on the other, and differently shaped scoopers and pans in between, and claim that the pot evolved from the spoon. As Michael Denton points out, 99% of an organism’s genetic information is in its soft anatomy, so ultimately we’ll never have hardly any genetic information from any fossilized creature. I don’t “refuse to see,” I merely interpret the fossil record differently than you.
Note: this topic is from . Thanks SteveH.
Origins of Horse Domestication: Botai, Yamnaya, Sintashta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50o0KSWB42Y
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