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Redshirts Aren't Likeliest to Die — and Other 'Star Trek' Math Lessons
space.com ^ | 04/13/2017 | Sarah Lewin

Posted on 04/13/2017 8:32:13 AM PDT by BenLurkin

The original "Star Trek" series isn't just a milestone of science fiction, it's also a treasure trove of mathematical ideas — as Space.com discovered when we attended "Star Trek: The Math of Khan" at the Museum of Mathematics on Thursday (April 6).

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Captain Kirk talks computers to death no fewer than four separate occasions in the original series. The captain often achieves this feat using sentences similar to the "Liar's Paradox": "This sentence is false." It's a paradox because if the sentence is false, then the sentence is stating the truth, even though it is supposed to be false; if the sentence is true, then it must be true that the sentence is false.

A similar statement powers mathematician Kurt Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem, which in effect proves there's a similarly paradoxical statement like "This statement is not provable" in any given mathematical system, Grime said. If the statement is true, it means there are true mathematical statements that can never be proved, like "holes" in mathematics. If the statement is false, it’s a contradiction, and that means there are contradictions within a mathematical system — so any system without any contradictions will also have statements that are impossible to prove. So something very much like Kirk's computer-busting paradox is something that appears in real mathematics.

...Alan Turing set out to find out whether it's possible to determine whether any given computer program will be able to solve a problem and halt or get stuck working on the problem forever. Ultimately, he proved that you cannot write another program to predict whether a program will finish or not — a result that suggests that you can't definitively determine whether a statement will ever be possible to prove, Grime said.

(Excerpt) Read more at space.com ...


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1 posted on 04/13/2017 8:32:13 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

“likeliest” isn’t necessarily a percentage parameter.

It is quite acceptable to be an assessment of absolute numbers.

What did viewer observe without knowing the total population of a group?


2 posted on 04/13/2017 8:40:24 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: BenLurkin

IIRC, except for Charlie X, most Enterprise (A) crew fatalities occurred planetside, so the better calculation might be red shirt fatalities among landing parties, rather than ship’s complement.


3 posted on 04/13/2017 8:42:00 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: BenLurkin

Meh. My favorites were when some hot alien babe asked Kirk, “What is love”, and in the next scene he’s sitting on the edge of a bed putting his boots on.

‘course, I was 14 at the time...


4 posted on 04/13/2017 8:42:47 AM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Best. Election. EVER!)
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To: treetopsandroofs

That’s why Guy had a better chance of surviving if he stayed on board the Galaxy Quest, though it still worked out ok for him.


5 posted on 04/13/2017 8:44:14 AM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Best. Election. EVER!)
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To: BenLurkin

FWIW, I thought Kirk’s logic in defeating Landru was pretty weak; M5 was the better take-down.


6 posted on 04/13/2017 8:44:36 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Nomad was somewhere in between.


7 posted on 04/13/2017 8:46:01 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Mr. Douglas

“Don’t open that!! It’s an alien planet!!
Is there air?? You don’t know!” - Guy


8 posted on 04/13/2017 8:47:01 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Mr. Douglas

“Meh. My favorites were when some hot alien babe asked Kirk, “What is love”, and in the next scene he’s sitting on the edge of a bed putting his boots on.”

Drea, “By Any Other Name”.

Drusilla was hotter.


9 posted on 04/13/2017 8:49:40 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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Indeed. The term red-shirt in the context of likely to die meant an extra beaming down as a security guard at the beginning of an episode. It did not apply to eveeybody wearing a red shirt.


10 posted on 04/13/2017 8:49:53 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: treetopsandroofs

The green one was the best. :)

Vina


11 posted on 04/13/2017 8:52:13 AM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Best. Election. EVER!)
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To: babble-on

“Did you ever actually WATCH the show?!” - Guy


12 posted on 04/13/2017 8:52:43 AM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Best. Election. EVER!)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Must Sterilize!


13 posted on 04/13/2017 8:53:59 AM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Best. Election. EVER!)
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To: babble-on

Yup!


14 posted on 04/13/2017 8:54:53 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: babble-on

Yup!


15 posted on 04/13/2017 8:55:26 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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I always felt sorry for poor Norman.
16 posted on 04/13/2017 8:56:51 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: BenLurkin
Captain Kirk talks computers to death no fewer than four separate occasions in the original series.

"Your logic was impeccable, Captain. We are in grave danger."

17 posted on 04/13/2017 9:00:20 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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18 posted on 04/13/2017 9:03:08 AM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: BenLurkin

There is no paradox. The statement is invalid and has no meaning, like 1/0. You can put the words together but they don’t signify any reality.

1/0 has no truth value. It is meaningless.


19 posted on 04/13/2017 9:07:28 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Islam mandates warfare against unbelievers and is absolutely incompatible with Western society.)
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Captain Kirk talks computers to death no fewer than four separate occasions

Alexa, everything I say is a lie.
I am lying.


20 posted on 04/13/2017 9:10:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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