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February 1857
Harper's Magazine archives (subscription required) ^ | February 1857

Posted on 02/01/2017 4:52:50 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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Free Republic University, Department of History presents U.S. History, 1855-1860: Seminar and Discussion Forum
Bleeding Kansas, Dred Scott, Lincoln-Douglas, Harper’s Ferry, the election of 1860, secession – all the events leading up to the Civil War, as seen through news reports of the time and later historical accounts

First session: November 21, 2015. Last date to add: Sometime in the future.
Reading: Self-assigned. Recommendations made and welcomed. To add this class to or drop it from your schedule notify Admissions and Records (Attn: Homer_J_Simpson) by reply or freepmail.

Link to January 1857 thread

1 posted on 02/01/2017 4:52:51 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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The Discovery of the Northwest Passage – 2-7
Celebrated Wines – 8-12
Monthly Record of Current Events * – 13-16
Editor’s Drawer – 17-24
Fashions for February – 25-26

* The business of Congress – slavery and squatter sovereignty. Controversial Kansas delegate admitted by 112-108 vote. Appropriation approved for steamer for the revenue service to be used in New York area to rescue distressed vessels. Is this how the Coast Guard began?

“The inhabitants of that portion of New Mexico recently acquired by the ‘Gadsden Purchase,’ have sent a delegate to Washington requesting that this district may be erected into a Territory, under the name of Arizona . . .”

“The delegate from Minnesota presented a petition that this Territory might be admitted into the Union as a State . . .”

A chart shows results of the November election in both popular and electoral terms, both state-by-state and free states vs. slave states.

The governor of Mississippi proposes a Convention of Southern States to concert a plan of action in case the northern states continue their hostility towards southern slavery.

“In Utah Judge Drummond charged the Grand Jury that the Mormon ceremony of ‘sealing’ does not constitute a legal marriage, and instructed them to indict all ‘sealed’ persons who had not been legally married, especially in cases where two or more women are found cohabiting with one man.”

“Charles B. Huntington, a New York broker, has been convicted of forgeries to an immense amount. . . . The defense set up was that he was affected with an irresistible propensity to forgery, which amounted to moral insanity . . . This defense proved unavailing . . . he was sentenced to the State Prison for four years and ten months . . .”

Plus news from Mexico, South America, Europe, and Asia.

2 posted on 02/01/2017 4:58:11 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from January 29 (reply #122)

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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

3 posted on 02/01/2017 5:01:34 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
definitions of "pluck" include: "2.the heart, liver, and lungs of an animal as food."

I never saw it used that way before.

Thanks!

4 posted on 02/01/2017 5:18:22 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
"Northerners were outraged at the notion that slavery was legal anywhere in the country!"

Extraordinarily important to "get" what happened here, since Dred-Scott represented the culmination of decades of Slave Power political efforts to have slavery permanently recognized nation-wide.
Just like Democrats today, they sought (and found!) from the Court what they could not otherwise win through Constitutional processes.

Lincoln said Dred-Scott implied slavery was legal everywhere, and the next Supreme Court decision would make it explicit.
That's what inflamed Northerners generally, drove radicals like John Brown, and helped elect Republicans as never before.

In other words, in its greatest Federal victory the Slave-Power sewed the seeds of its own eventual destruction.

5 posted on 02/01/2017 5:34:02 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Interesting facts about wines of Israel and Lebanon. There’s something of a resurgence of Lebanese wine production. Some are even available in the U.S., I believe.


6 posted on 02/01/2017 6:17:24 AM PST by Tax-chick ("The feelings business is very profitable, and the thinkings business is not.")
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

The Dred Scott decision, as Roe v. Wade, was utterly void of constitutionally-based reasoning. Thus, both were examples of federal tyranny leading to misery and death.


7 posted on 02/01/2017 7:47:22 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Some 45 years ago, I recall reading an 1850s reporter’s account of a political debate in Alabama.

It amazed me. Like Harpers, he painted an event in words.

Compare to Twitter. Blech.


8 posted on 02/01/2017 3:59:23 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: BroJoeK

In writing the decision in Dred Scott v. Sanford, Justice Taney sought to craft a “final solution to the slavery question.” His decision was the failure of the legal system to resolve the issue. While Americans tend to decry our overly litigious society, it has had one positive effect: when angered, Americans traditionally don’t resort to violence, we go to Court. In this instance, Dred Scott was the failure of the Court system to adequately resolve the issue. That left the only alternative as violence.

So Taney’s decision will ultimately resolve the slavery question, but not the way he intended.


9 posted on 02/03/2017 1:30:50 PM PST by henkster
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Continued from February 1 (reply #3).

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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

10 posted on 02/04/2017 7:01:16 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; henkster
"...full of misrepresentation, unfair inference and vague ad captandum insinuation..."

Can you even believe how primitive those people were back then, to use such crude arguments, even in cases of law!
Aren't you glad we today are so, so advanced, nobody would ever stoop to such tricks, right? </sarc>

;-)

11 posted on 02/04/2017 11:44:30 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

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Tim Kaine’s people!
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12 posted on 02/04/2017 11:57:31 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
This story will transfix New York for months. Even in 1857, you could count on a lurid murder with a healthy dose of sex to get peoples attention!

I suppose it was a relaxing diversion from the endless debate over slavery.

13 posted on 02/04/2017 12:58:09 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Just for now, I'd like to contribute the following to this thread. Can anyone tell me whose words they are?

""Whatever may be the force of the decision of the Supreme Court in binding the parties and settling their rights in the particular case before them, I am not prepared to admit that a construction given to the constitution by the Supreme Court in deciding any one or more cases fixes of itself irrevokably [sic] and permanently its construction in that particular and binds the states and the Legislative and executive branches of the General government, forever afterwards to conform to it and adopt it in every other case as the true reading of the instrument although all of them may unite in believing it erroneous."

14 posted on 02/04/2017 1:32:47 PM PST by HandyDandy (Are we our own rulers?,.......or are we ruled by the judiciary?)
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[Continued from February 4 (reply #10).]

February 5. Thaw and slop omnipresent and omnipotent. Broadway is a “Grand Canal” of snow broth, and furnishes a splendid opportunity to naturalize the hippopotamus in this hemisphere, as the camel has been introduced into Texas. Nothing very novel today. The Coroner is still stupidly accumulating evidence utterly irrelevant and immaterial about the Burdell case.

The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

15 posted on 02/05/2017 6:43:29 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: BroJoeK
Plus ca change, plus ca la meme chose.

Seriously, I'm always reassured by reminders that things are now as they always were.

16 posted on 02/05/2017 8:04:39 AM PST by Tax-chick ("If you think free speech is assault but assault is free speech, you're a moron.")
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; Anoreth
The Coroner is still stupidly accumulating evidence utterly irrelevant and immaterial about the Burdell case.

In my head, I can hear Anoreth saying this line. Also P.J. O'Rourke.

17 posted on 02/05/2017 8:06:49 AM PST by Tax-chick ("If you think free speech is assault but assault is free speech, you're a moron.")
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To: HandyDandy
"Can anyone tell me whose words they are?"

I confess, I had to look it up, had no idea.
But won't spoil it for everybody else... it's well worth the effort.

;-)

18 posted on 02/05/2017 9:30:19 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK; HandyDandy
I confess, I had to look it up, had no idea. But won't spoil it for everybody else... it's well worth the effort.

Endorsed

19 posted on 02/05/2017 9:49:14 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; BroJoeK
Ok, times up! The answer is that those words were spoken by the man who was at that time the Attorney General (1831 - 1833) for President Andrew Jackson. That man was none other than Roger B. Taney, who, some 30 odd years later, as Chief Justice of The Supreme Court of The United States would author the Dred Scott Decision. He was expressing the view commonly held by democrats back during the time of Jackson that they did not believe an interpretation of the Constitution by Supreme Court was permanently binding.

The correct wrong guess would have obviously been Abraham Lincoln who paraphrased those words in his first inaugural address. Surely, Taney, who had just administered the oath of office to Lincoln must have squirmed in his seat as Abe delivered his address and made Taney eat his own words. Abe put it thusly:

"............I do not forget the position, assumed by some, that constitutional questions are to be decided by the Supreme Court; nor do I deny that such decisions must be binding, in any case, upon the parties to a suit, as to the object of that suit, while they are also entitled to very high respect and consideration in all parallel cases by all other departments of the government. And while it is obviously possible that such decision may be erroneous in any given case, still the evil effect following it, being limited to that particular case, with the chance that it may be overruled and never become a precedent for other cases, can better be borne than could the evils of a different practice. At the same time, the candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made, in ordinary litigation between parties in personal actions, the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their government into the hands of that eminent tribunal. Nor is there in this view any assault upon the court or the judges. It is a duty from which they may not shrink to decide cases properly brought before them, and it is no fault of theirs if others seek to turn their decisions to political purposes."

20 posted on 02/07/2017 1:49:24 PM PST by HandyDandy (Are we our own rulers?,.......or are we ruled by the judiciary?)
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