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January 1857
Harper's Magazine archives (subscription required) ^ | January 1857

Posted on 01/01/2017 6:44:11 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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To: BroJoeK

Beethoven was a scandalously original innovator in his day. “What is that horrible noise?!?” they said.


101 posted on 01/23/2017 12:44:17 PM PST by Tax-chick ("The feelings business is very profitable, and the thinkings business is not.")
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To: Tax-chick; BroJoeK
Near the end of the 1st movement of Beethoven 7th symphony (approximately 11:10-11:38 on this recording) the bass viol section does something that seems a little different than what the rest of the orchestra is doing. I read on some liner notes that Karl Maria von Weber attended a performance of the 7th and when he heard that part he decided Beethoven must be insane.
102 posted on 01/23/2017 3:22:22 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
Continued from January 22 (reply #91).

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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

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Francis Lieber Wikipedia page

103 posted on 01/24/2017 5:06:02 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Hi Homer,

I know you’re in the middle of this Civil War historical account but we are now witnessing what could be history in the making in the possible beginnings of restoring our Free Constitutional Republic which, if it is successful, would be an historical movement indeed - victory in a political and cultural civil war that was won without military engagement.

Would you (or do you know someone who would) consider running a daily or weekly thread that chronicles an unbiased account summary of Trump’s daily acts as President from Day One (Monday Jan 23, 2017)? Maybe something that would, for example, in Week Two summarize Trump’s acts in Week One. This would be useful among other things in evaluating what acts of Trump were and weren’t helpful in the effort to restore our Free Constitutional Republic.

This might even be a unique account of sorts, bypasssing the Lying leftist Media, and giving a true, honest, and unbiased account summary (maybe with links if one wanted to drill down) of Trump’s official acts as President, good or bad.

We can take this offline in FRmail if you want but I wanted others who are on this thread to see this request in case any of them might also want to take on this task.

Thanks Homer.


104 posted on 01/24/2017 7:51:03 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

Sorry, I don’t have time to take on any new projects. Can’t you do it yourself? After all, if you want something done right . . .


105 posted on 01/24/2017 8:55:54 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Well, I’m not very good at the razzle-dazzle you guys do plus I’m developing my own website https://sonsofconstitutionalliberty.com/ and am preparing to write a book.

Thanks anyway Homer.

BTW can you add me to the ping list on your Civil War chronicle here?


106 posted on 01/24/2017 9:51:53 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
I know how it is. I've got my own writing project going and it doesn't take much to get me distracted from the daily chore. It is not often I get accused of utilizing razzle-dazzle. Anyway, you are on the ping list.

Regards, Homer

107 posted on 01/24/2017 11:09:00 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

By razzle-dazzle I simply mean the ability to skillfully utilize and facilitate computer images.

Thanks.


108 posted on 01/24/2017 11:12:44 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Francis Lieber seems to have been a prominent example that the large numbers of German immigrants entering the United States were not friendly to the slavery cause.


109 posted on 01/24/2017 11:16:15 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
Francis Lieber seems to have been a prominent example that the large numbers of German immigrants entering the United States were not friendly to the slavery cause.

My great X5 grandfather immigrated from Germany sometime early in the 18th century (b. 1708, Germany, d. 1749, Lancaster Co. PA). His descendants lived in PA, OH, and IN up until the Civil War but I don't know where any of them stood on slavery, other than they didn't have it where they lived.

110 posted on 01/24/2017 3:42:24 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

That part of the country was pretty antislavery. However, not even the Republican Party was avowedly abolitionist until after the Civil War began.


111 posted on 01/24/2017 3:50:03 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Chase and Seward carried a little abolitionist baggage, but Lincoln was wise or crafty enough to not get that far ahead of public opinion, as it prevailed especially in the western states.


112 posted on 01/24/2017 4:20:55 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Makes me wonder what Lincoln and the Republicans would have done if the South had not seceded, but there I go again violating henkster’s law.


113 posted on 01/24/2017 4:29:35 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
"Makes me wonder what Lincoln and the Republicans would have done if the South had not seceded..."

That's easy. Lincoln would have done just what the Republican platform called for.
Regarding slavery they promised to stop it's expansion into territories which didn't want it.
Otherwise, they would have done nothing to roll back slavery in States where it was already legal.

I expect they would also take steps to reduce the affects of the SCOTUS Dred Scott decision.

In short, Lincoln would have been the first openly anti-slavery President, but could have & would have done nothing to outlaw slavery in the South.
Regardless, it was anti-slavery enough to drive Deep South Fire Eaters to declare first secession, then Confederacy and war on the United States.

114 posted on 01/25/2017 3:54:45 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

I would think the Republicans would also have repealed the Fugitive Slave Act, which would have caused the South to secede anyway.


115 posted on 01/25/2017 12:06:25 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

The 1860 Republican platform — while too distant in the future to see clearly in 1857 — I predict will say nothing about fugitive slaves.
Indeed, Deep South Fire Eaters’ complaints about Northern interference with fugitive returns, in early 1861, will seem ironic, since very few actually escaped from their States.


116 posted on 01/25/2017 1:19:19 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

Oh, of course not. But platforms have a way of being disregarded once a party takes power.


117 posted on 01/25/2017 1:31:06 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

You may remember, the 36th US Congress served until March 4, 1861, Lincoln’s inauguration day.
It had a pro-slavery Democrat Senate majority and a Republican-lead coalition House majority.
It’s first response to the secession crisis was to propose compromises to appease Deep South Fire Eaters.
Among them was a 13th Amendment explicitly recognizing slavery.
Secessionists were not moved.

My point is, many Republicans, then as now, were eager to “go along to get along,” and would abandon their principles at the fist signs of Democrats’ musket smoke.
Their spines only really stiffened after the Slave Power departed Congress and declared war on the United States.
Even then, the idea of using Civil War to abolish slavery did not immediately occur to most of them.
That took months of war and thousands dead.

So, absent Civil War, don’t assume Republicans would have gone beyond the minimal restrictions on slavery spelled out in their 1860 platform.


118 posted on 01/26/2017 4:41:25 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...

Happy 37th birthday to George Templeton Strong, born on this date in 1820. He will be 197 years old in 2017.


119 posted on 01/26/2017 4:59:19 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Happy 37th birthday to George Templeton Strong, born on this date in 1820. He will be 197 years old in 2017.

You could obtain his picture, and run it through one of those "here's what you'll look like in your 190s" websites :-)

120 posted on 01/26/2017 5:49:08 AM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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