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New study shows chronic fatigue syndrome may have to do with gut microbes
WaPo ^ | June 30, 2016 | Ariana Eunjung Cha

Posted on 09/17/2016 6:07:34 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

“Our work demonstrates that the gut bacterial microbiome in chronic fatigue syndrome patients isn’t normal, perhaps leading to gastrointestinal and inflammatory symptoms in victims of the disease,” said Maureen Hanson, a professor of molecular biology and genetics at Cornell. “Furthermore, our detection of a biological abnormality provides further evidence against the ridiculous concept that the disease is psychological in origin.”

In a study published this month in the journal Microbiome, Cornell University researchers looked at stool and blood samples of 48 people diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome (or more formally, myalgic encephalomyelitis) and at 39 healthy volunteers.

They found two main differences: Through DNA sequencing, they found the stool samples in the patients with the condition had less diversity in bacteria present in the gut and that there were fewer that were anti-inflammatory. The blood samples were also distinct: There were markers of inflammation that the researchers theorized may be due to a "leaky gut from intestinal problems that allow bacteria to enter the blood."

The researchers said that it was unclear whether these were causes or a consequences of the disease, but the discovery, despite the fact that it was only based on a small sample, is important for two reasons.

First, the indicators could be used in the future to help diagnose the condition, as they were present in 83 percent of the patients with chronic fatigue syndrome. Second, it suggests that diet and things like probiotics may be a way to help treat the disease by getting the gut microbiome back in balance.

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: cfs; chronicfatigue; gutbacteria; gutmicrobes; health; leakygut; mecfs; nih; probiotic; probiotics; tbi
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To: Mr. Mojo

much better to eat the foods that are good for you. all the processing and extra manufacturing of what I can fake foods results in no friendly bacteria that are needed in the system.


21 posted on 09/17/2016 7:13:43 PM PDT by visualops (It's the majority of the American people and Trump against the enemies of the republic - Windflier)
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To: Seizethecarp

Good info here.


22 posted on 09/17/2016 7:27:02 PM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Seizethecarp

KOMBUCHA

KEIFER

Jerusalem Artichoke powder

Chicory root powder


23 posted on 09/17/2016 7:37:53 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Seizethecarp

Didn’t somebody just name one of those things after Obama?


24 posted on 09/17/2016 7:48:57 PM PDT by PLMerite (Compromise is Surrender: The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: gaijin

Is keifer more effective than yogurt? Both are fermented dairy, so I’d have thought they’d be about the same.


25 posted on 09/17/2016 8:03:24 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Seizethecarp

Parasites in all sizes are the Cause of leaky gut and such chronic conditions at FM/CFS, Crohns, IBS, etc...

Probiotics help, but you have to kill the dragons first. We have spent years taking expensive supplements and probiotics only to discover that we had illegal aliens taking everything from us, leaving only leftovers. Helminths love multi-B vitamins, especially B-12.

Go to www.humaworm.com and read the testimonials there with regard to FM/CFS.

We worm our dogs, cats, horses, goats....but do we ever stop to consider that we, who are at the top fo the food chain, never consider that periodic parasite maintenance might be in order?


26 posted on 09/17/2016 8:12:58 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: Mr. Mojo

Keifer is GENERALLY as effective as active, which for yoghurt is pretty high.

Be aware, though that a lot of outfits sell keifer that is sorta fake.

REAL keifer u can recognize cuz it contains live organisms and if left at room temperature for a couple hours their byproduct, co2 gas, will make a sealed top POOCH OUT.

If you leave it out for half a day and the top doesn’t pooch up and out then you know everything that was in there is dead and it would not have really helped your gut.

(generally keifer is better than 90% of yoghurts)


27 posted on 09/17/2016 8:17:17 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

activA, not active. stupid spellcheck.


28 posted on 09/17/2016 8:17:47 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Seizethecarp

I can say from personal knowledge that TBI causes MANY of the symptoms of CFS, including the gut ones.

Wouldn’t that lean towards a nervous system dysfunction?


29 posted on 09/17/2016 8:18:22 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: Seizethecarp

Personally I believe it is the MSG and high fructose corn syrup, BPA, Soybean oil, enriched flour (fake flour), fake sugars, etc.

Whenever I eat food with these ingredients I get tired. I can avoid this by eating foods that hopefully do not have this stuff in it but products like MSG are known by over 100 names as the manufacturers know it is bad and so hide it.


30 posted on 09/17/2016 9:27:33 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: ckilmer

The best probiotics are food. Raw, live sauerkraut, kefir, kombucha.


31 posted on 09/17/2016 9:49:16 PM PDT by The Californian (The door to the room of success swings on the hinges of opposition. Bob Jones, Sr.)
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To: dp0622

TBI would be screened for as part of the extensive differential diagnosis process that leads up to getting labeled with ME/CFS, a diagnosis of exclusion (of all others).

I have not seen TBI linked to ME/CFS. It is usually found to have been linked to a virus attack of some kind, usually mono (HHV-4) or a severe stress episode in life that the body didn’t completely recover from.

BTW, The head of my NOVA U. clinic, Dr. Nancy Klimas also happens to be the foremost national researcher of Gulf War Syndrome, which is closely related to ME/CFS with the exposure to various unknown chemical agents and the inflammatory effect on the body and the gut.


32 posted on 09/18/2016 10:06:07 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: blackpacific

Extensive research has yet to confirm any parasites as the cause of ME/CFS as far as I have seen. If you have any links to the contrary, please provide.


33 posted on 09/18/2016 10:10:14 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

I dont care who she is :)

You DO know that MRIs are worthless for screening TBI’s in 90 percent of the cases right?

And I have a TBI and have many of the symptoms.

A closed mind is not good for research.


34 posted on 09/18/2016 10:22:56 AM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: dp0622

I thought you had a military related TBI and might be interested in the Gulf War connection.

I am sorry to hear of your TBI symptoms and that they are like ME/CFS.

I had a concussion when I was a child and blacked out when I was hit in the face with a big rubber kick-ball that was kicked directly into my face from the ground when I was looking down at it!

I don’t know if it gave me a TBI with long-lasting effects. I didn’t get ME/CFS until age 50.


35 posted on 09/18/2016 11:19:50 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

sorry for the grouchy response.

those 300k soldiers with TBI get a lot of the same CFS symptoms too. I talk with them on the boards and am a big supporter.

Perhaps what happens in the gut affects the brain OR the fact that the gut has been called the largest Nervous System after the brain would explain why the effects are similar.

Please tell me you’re a guy and I didn’t get grouchy with a lady, at least. I’ll hate myself the rest of the day.

It SUCKS, doesn’t it?! Sorry you have it.

Every symptom I have i find on CFS list. Rheumo told me i have it. I can’t believe that as they ALL started after TBI. I dont know what to think lol


36 posted on 09/18/2016 11:34:48 AM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: dp0622

Yes, I am a geezer guy!

Below is a link to an article with the newest improved NIH def of ME/CFS, but main thing is whether or not you have “post-exertional malaise” which means crushing debilitation after you exercise even a little bit.

In this article a new name was suggested which has since been dropped and we are still stuck with ME/CFS since fractious sufferers still couldn’t agree on a new name, but the main thing is that MD’s have now been instructed by the US Gov’t to stop telling patients that this disease is psychological!

On the basis of this article alone my own frickin’ PCP stopped telling me it was all in my head. I had to drive across the state to NOVA U. to get treatment!

http://www.webmd.com/chronic-fatigue-syndrome/news/20150210/new-name-new-criteria-for-chronic-fatigue-syndrome


37 posted on 09/18/2016 12:08:11 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

It is not being done, so how can you say it is extensive?


38 posted on 09/19/2016 7:22:16 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: blackpacific

Dr. Ian Lipkin, the leading “bug” hunter in the world, dedicated a solid year trying to link a specific pathogen to ME/CFS and failed using his state-of-the-art lab techniques.

Lipkin did not find any parasites as a cause of ME/CFS. He is far more likely to find a virus, in his expert opinion (he is the leading expert in the world having found many of the viruses in the news of late).

Here is his wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Ian_Lipkin

Here is a 2014 interview with Dr. Lipkin:

http://www.cfscentral.com/2014/05/candid-conversation-with-dr-ian-lipkin.html


39 posted on 09/20/2016 12:59:31 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Is a spirochete a parasite?


40 posted on 09/20/2016 9:35:22 PM PDT by blackpacific
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