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In U.S. Jails, a Constitutional Clash Over Air-Conditioning
nytimes.com ^ | 08/16/2016 | ALAN BLINDER

Posted on 08/16/2016 11:46:38 AM PDT by massmike

In places like Louisiana and Texas, sweltering states where elected officials cherish tough-on-crime credentials, it is politically poisonous to be perceived as coddling prisoners. And many officials simply say that temperatures are not anywhere near as dire as prisoners and their lawyers claim.

A spokesman for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, which is facing an array of lawsuits over the issue of jail temperatures, including a class-action case, said in a statement that “the well-being of staff and offenders is a top priority for the agency and we remain committed to making sure that both are safe during the extreme heat.”

The disputes surrounding the climate of modern incarceration can be partly traced to 1981, when the Supreme Court concluded that “the Constitution does not mandate comfortable prisons.” About 35 years later, states, counties and cities are interpreting the court’s words in their own ways.

In Texas, state regulations require that temperatures in county jails “shall be reasonably maintained between 65 degrees Fahrenheit and 85 degrees Fahrenheit in all occupied areas.” But that standard does not apply to state prisons.

“Once these buildings heat up in the summertime, they never really do ever cool back down again,” Keith M. Cole, a plaintiff in the Texas class-action case, said at the Navasota prison where he is serving a life sentence for murder and is being treated for heart disease, diabetes and hypertension. “Air-conditioning to me wouldn’t be a comfort. It’s a necessity — it’s a medical necessity.”

“In the South, almost everybody has air-conditioning,” said Jeffrey S. Edwards, a lawyer for Mr. Cole. “This isn’t a luxury anymore. Almost everyone has it, except for these inmates.”

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: corrections; inmates; prison; summer
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To: massmike

The standard is cruel and unusual.

If it’s entirely usual....


21 posted on 08/16/2016 12:13:51 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Evaporative coolers only work in low humidity climates. There are not very many of those in Texas or Louisiana.

BS - I grew up in Texas and didn’t have AC until my last two years of high school. That is from elementary to high school, no AC.


22 posted on 08/16/2016 12:14:08 PM PDT by Dacula (Southern lives matter!)
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To: rstrahan

Shucky darn.


23 posted on 08/16/2016 12:14:30 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: CGASMIA68
My grade school, also in the 50’s, did not have air conditioning, however, it did not have classes between mid June and the first of September.
24 posted on 08/16/2016 12:14:34 PM PDT by garyb
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To: DuncanWaring

They will in West Texas. Saving money there will offset costs in other areas if it’s done at all.


25 posted on 08/16/2016 12:17:22 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: WilliamCooper1

” homemade tattoo guns.”

Danielle says call them machines, not guns!


26 posted on 08/16/2016 12:17:56 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: massmike

Pet them pedal a bike to generate their daily electricity...


27 posted on 08/16/2016 12:20:53 PM PDT by Paladin2 (auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
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To: massmike
without AC in Texas is like being confined to a “hot-box” you see in prison camp movies

big o'l smiley face

28 posted on 08/16/2016 12:23:29 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory ((ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government))
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To: massmike

Too bad. It’s hot in hell.


29 posted on 08/16/2016 12:25:00 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Dacula

I also grew up in Texas without air conditioning, as did five generations of my Texas ancestors before me. I am not saying that air conditioning is a necessity. It is not. I am just saying that evaporative coolers are not a viable option here.


30 posted on 08/16/2016 12:36:21 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (Never Hillary)
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To: massmike

Air conditioning did not even exist until around 1910.

I went to public school in the 1970s with NO air conditioning at all. On super hot days they would let us out early at 1 or 2pm.

How did prisoners cope before 1900?

I say take away their cable TV AND exercise equipment.

Prison is SUPPOSED to be punishment.


31 posted on 08/16/2016 12:36:56 PM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: garyb

Mine did.Summer School,double punishment.

Slice it dice it however I will never feel sorry for convicted criminals until proven innocent.

Just me.


32 posted on 08/16/2016 12:40:26 PM PDT by CGASMIA68 (kant spell er punktuate,fluncked english.Gramer to!!)
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To: Flavious_Maximus

33 posted on 08/16/2016 12:42:50 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (Never Hillary)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

They worked great for me. They would blow cool moist air and felt great.


34 posted on 08/16/2016 12:46:14 PM PDT by Dacula (Southern lives matter!)
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To: Dacula
They worked great for me. They would blow cool moist air and felt great.

What part of Texas? I grew up in Central Texas. Even your sweat will not evaporate when the humidity is 90%.

35 posted on 08/16/2016 12:48:36 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (Never Hillary)
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To: WilliamCooper1
They watch TV ten hours a day and make homemade tattoo guns. If they were out on the chain gang 12 hours a day in the summer heat, I might be inclined to say that a little A/C for comfortable sleeping at night is in order.

No TV in Texas prisons, you can buy a radio if you demonstrate good behavior.

Many Texas prisons are also in rural areas so not much to listen to even if you have one.

36 posted on 08/16/2016 12:50:28 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Dacula

37 posted on 08/16/2016 12:52:20 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (Never Hillary)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Del Rio, San Antonio and San Marcos


38 posted on 08/16/2016 12:53:17 PM PDT by Dacula (Southern lives matter!)
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To: Dacula
We mainly used this air conditioning system when I was in school.


39 posted on 08/16/2016 12:56:09 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (Never Hillary)
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To: Mr. Douglas; rstrahan
...prisons without AC in Texas is like being confined to a “hot-box” you see in prison camp movies. It can get to well over 100 degrees, health-threatening.
When was that not the case?
In February?

40 posted on 08/16/2016 1:07:48 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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