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Black Death may have been lurking for centuries: DNA of plague victims in France backs up theory...
MailOnline ^ | By Ellie Zolfagharifard and Ryan O'Hare

Posted on 01/23/2016 7:57:47 PM PST by BenLurkin

Black Death, a mid-fourteenth century plague, killed 30 to 50 per cent of the European population in just five years.

The pandemic was caused by the Yersinia pestis bacteria with millions dying from the disease in two major outbreaks.

Thousands of years before it wreaked havoc in the second wave of deaths, the bacteria may have been passed around as a harmless microbe.

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Being distinct from all modern forms of plague, the scientists believe they have identified an extinct form of the disease, according to their study reported yesterday in the online journal eLife.

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Marseille was a big hub of trade in the Mediterranean, so the Great Plague of Marseille could have been imported from any number of places by ship and cargo.

But she concedes that it equally could have been close to home.

"Our results suggest that the disease was hiding somewhere in Europe for several hundred years".

"It;s a chilling thought that plague might have once been hiding right around the corner throughout Europe, living in a host which is not known to us yet" explains Johannes Krause, director of the Department of Archaeogenetics at the MPI in Jena.

He adds: "Future work might help us to identify the mysterious host species, its range and the reason for its disappearance".

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Scientists and historians have long believed the plague originated in Asia and was reintroduced to Europe a number of times.

But the findings from the German remains indicate it may have never left Europe's shores.

Instead, it lay relatively dormant in the host - suspected to be rodents - until an unknown event caused it to jump to humans again, like it had done three centuries earlier.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; History
KEYWORDS: blackdeath; blackplague; bubonic; bubonicplague; epidemics; godsgravesglyphs; marseille; pandemics; plagues; thesniffles; yersiniapestis
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1 posted on 01/23/2016 7:57:47 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

we have plague here In the states- every now and again folks die from it- a couple of hunters a few years ago died of it- not only black plague but pneumonic plague as well


2 posted on 01/23/2016 8:01:25 PM PST by Bob434
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To: Bob434

Even though it’s a bacterial you would think remaining European descendants have some built in resistance to it now.


3 posted on 01/23/2016 8:02:55 PM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: Bob434

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/09/us/hunter-gets-plague-and-dies.html


4 posted on 01/23/2016 8:03:39 PM PST by Bob434
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To: BenLurkin

Black death may have been lurking.-Ben Lurkin. LOL.


5 posted on 01/23/2016 8:04:06 PM PST by paintriot (Desperado...why don't you come to your senses.)
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To: paintriot

And don’t you forget it.


6 posted on 01/23/2016 8:08:23 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Bob434

Can’t it be picked up by contact with Armadillo’s?


7 posted on 01/23/2016 8:09:07 PM PST by EvilCapitalist (Cruz 2016)
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To: EvilCapitalist

that would be leprosy- but maybe they carry plague too- but I hadn’t heard that if they do- but definitely leprosy


8 posted on 01/23/2016 8:10:53 PM PST by Bob434
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To: BenLurkin

In November 1979, while serving in Vietnam, I contracted Yersinia Pestis, Black Plague, I spent 23 days in a hospital and lost 65 pounds during those 23 days. They treated it with streptomycin antibiotic, after misdiagnosing it for the first 10 days, but I survived.


9 posted on 01/23/2016 8:11:45 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Slavery will continue to exist and thrive as long a Islam continues to exist.)
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To: Bob434

I think you’re right. I knew there was something that could be picked up by contact with Armadillo’s.


10 posted on 01/23/2016 8:16:30 PM PST by EvilCapitalist (Cruz 2016)
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To: BenLurkin

Black Death. That’s your spy name.
Funny how true you’re name is for many of us on FR. I still lurk mostly, though as of late have been making the occasional foray into the Free
Republic theater of war.


11 posted on 01/23/2016 8:24:30 PM PST by paintriot (Desperado...why don't you come to your senses.)
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To: paintriot
How can you not like a man who makes jokes about massive epidemiological catastrophes?
12 posted on 01/23/2016 8:30:33 PM PST by fhayek
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To: paintriot

Is this thing anything like the Black Death in Chiraq, Detroit, West Oakland and St. Louis?


13 posted on 01/23/2016 8:31:08 PM PST by CARTOUCHE (My washing machine has a longer warranty than I do.)
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To: Bob434

http://www.lepra.org.uk/platforms/lepra/files/lr/Sept05/Lep198-208.pdf

Armadillos in certain areas only. Other areas armadillos don’t have leprosy.


14 posted on 01/23/2016 8:32:32 PM PST by matthew fuller (Americans want to win, after seven years of a faggot muslim surrender monkey that hates America!)
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To: paintriot

Pain you funny boy. I should be getting hazardous duty pay for just being on this website.


15 posted on 01/23/2016 8:33:54 PM PST by CARTOUCHE (My washing machine has a longer warranty than I do.)
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To: matthew fuller

thatnks for that= I was under the impression it was everywhere where armadillos were- I still would not trust them in areas where it’s less of a threat though-


16 posted on 01/23/2016 8:38:13 PM PST by Bob434
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To: BenLurkin

Melissa Harris-Perry should do a report on this.


17 posted on 01/23/2016 8:39:40 PM PST by Mr. N. Wolfe
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To: Bob434

Yes, NM still has cases. Some have said that rat urine on Pinon Pine nuts was a probable vector.

Pinon Pine nuts were widely collected and eaten by New Mexicans. I admit I have eaten them too. No longer, but it has been a very long time since I was in NM.


18 posted on 01/23/2016 8:49:15 PM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: BenLurkin; SunkenCiv; cogitator; SoothingDave; tioga; Texan5

The conventional wisdom of this plague doesn’t pass the logic test.

Too fast, too convenient an answer. (Stored and transmitted by rats” is usual answer.)

So, if it came in from China on a ship, how did the virus/plague go from sailor to city to resident to wander/trader between cities to the next city so fast? faster than “rats” can travel.

Sure, people carry it. But then why the rat+flea vector? How the rat+flea vector so quick ?
Too rapid a rise, too great a death rate, and then it “vanishes ....” to negligible levels today.

But in the 1600’s, 1700’s, 1800’s ... life was not too much different. Sanitation and rat control was not much different than in the 1400’s.

Sure, today? The plague would be less. But why did it stop? What was it? Two different diseases certainly: one short (air borne? One longer, slower. Flea borne? Maybe.


19 posted on 01/23/2016 8:55:43 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Bob434

I remember eating some barbecued armadillo in a town south of San Antonio. Tasted good, but had a weird pinkish-red color. That was a long time ago and before I knew about the association with Leprosy.


20 posted on 01/23/2016 8:58:49 PM PST by matthew fuller (Americans want to win, after seven years of a faggot muslim surrender monkey that hates America!)
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