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Early men and women were equal, say scientists
the guardian (uk) ^ | 14 May 2015 | Hannah Devlin

Posted on 10/21/2015 1:53:57 AM PDT by SteveH

Our prehistoric forebears are often portrayed as spear-wielding savages, but the earliest human societies are likely to have been founded on enlightened egalitarian principles, according to scientists.

A study has shown that in contemporary hunter-gatherer tribes, men and women tend to have equal influence on where their group lives and who they live with. The findings challenge the idea that sexual equality is a recent invention, suggesting that it has been the norm for humans for most of our evolutionary history.

Mark Dyble, an anthropologist who led the study at University College London, said: “There is still this wider perception that hunter-gatherers are more macho or male-dominated. We’d argue it was only with the emergence of agriculture, when people could start to accumulate resources, that inequality emerged.”

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TOPICS: History; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: anthropologist; faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; limey; limeys; markdyble; unitedkingdom; wishfulthinking
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To: SteveH

One of the 16th-century Texas tribes which Cabeza de Vaca talks about killed all of their girl babies at birth. They obtained wives from other tribes.


21 posted on 10/21/2015 5:43:48 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SteveH

They were equal-ly delicious.

22 posted on 10/21/2015 5:49:20 AM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: SteveH
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23 posted on 10/21/2015 6:16:50 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: SteveH

So much for club-and-drag away marriages of the stone age?


24 posted on 10/21/2015 6:36:51 AM PDT by VaeVictis (~Woe to the Conquered~)
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To: Colorado Doug

Great minds think alike. I see you beat me to it XD


25 posted on 10/21/2015 6:37:41 AM PDT by VaeVictis (~Woe to the Conquered~)
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To: SteveH

More importantly were at least half of them queer to reflect diversity?


26 posted on 10/21/2015 6:47:42 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Why is this so hard to believe?


I don’t think you were able to comprehend my response to the article. It was not whether women influenced the lifestyles, it was the fact that these “experts” had absolutely no way to come up with “hard” proof to support that statement. How could they? There was no tangible proof, simply conjecture.

My statement has nothing to do with women’s equality...it has to do with “so called experts” coming up with beliefs rather than proof.

Global warming is a perfect example of today’s “experts” coming up with fake and false statements to support their agenda.


27 posted on 10/21/2015 8:37:32 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Genesis 3.16: the Lord tells Eve, "Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." // Doesn't sound like equality to me.

1. I'm guessing he was referring to Adam and Eve before the fall/curse (although Adam still had the leadership role and Eve was the helper.)

2. In the verse you cited, the word translated "desire" can be misleading. This isn't saying the woman will always want the guy who is bad for her and is domineering. That "desire" is a desire to rule over, as in Genesis 4:7 - "...And if you [Cain] do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it." In response to that desire, man responds with the iron fist. It is battle for control on both sides.

3. The divine plan has always been mutual submission (Eph 5:21 - "submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ"), equality (Gal 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus), yet with differing roles (Eph 5:22-33, 1Pet 3:7)

The verse you cited was not the divine plan; it was the corrupting of the divine plan and the consequence of sin. It was not God commanding; it was God explaining the result of their actions.

28 posted on 10/21/2015 8:39:51 AM PDT by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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To: SteveH

Liberal tripe, not science. Liberals don’t know a scientist is.


29 posted on 10/21/2015 8:47:12 AM PDT by CodeToad (Stupid kills, but not nearly enough!)
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To: DH
The notion that there is such a thing as true equality among humans, or any advanced species of life, is really absurd. Just how does one define equality? One can frame a mathematical equation; but one cannot devise a measure or equation that will precisely define any human.

The sexes by the very nature of sexuality, complement each other. Both are absolutely essential to human continuity; but pretending that equality, rather than to complement, is a rational purpose or goal, is to superimpose a neurotic wish list over what is actually functional.

Why does it matter? Well for one thing, truth is always important. But it is the unfortunate side effect of egalitarian pursuits that is the real crux. The Egalitarian pursuit promotes jealousy, envy, resentment, rather than constructive development of all the useful traits where people being compared, are actually able to excel. The areas where anyone has a particularly useful quality, should be their focus; not a need to pretend that they can be great at whatever they set their minds to. (And Reality Is Not A Grievance.)

30 posted on 10/21/2015 8:48:53 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: wbarmy
Even troglodytes understood that if “momma” ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy.

"I'll Sock it to ya, Daddy!"

31 posted on 10/21/2015 8:52:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Verginius Rufus

That was after the fall.


32 posted on 10/21/2015 9:55:14 AM PDT by Jay Thomas (If not for my faith in Christ, I would despair.)
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To: SteveH; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
...the earliest human societies are likely to have been founded on enlightened egalitarian principles, according to scientists.
Yes, and electrical impulses to a certain part of the brain will undermine superstitions like belief in God. Nonsense and non-science. Thanks SteveH.

33 posted on 10/21/2015 11:23:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Gil4
I don't know Hebrew, but the Septuagint has "apostrophe" for the word translated as "desire"--that can mean "turning away from" or "resource." The Greek corresponding to "will rule over" is "kyrieusei" from "kyrieuo," "to be lord/master of."

In the Cain-and-Abel story, at 4.7, the word "apostrophe" recurs for "desire," but the word "arxeis" (arkhseis) is used instead of "kyrieuseis" for "master." "Arxeis" is future 2nd person singular from "arkho," to rule, to rule over, to be first.

34 posted on 10/21/2015 11:45:43 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SteveH
Maybe they need a new species name for this early man who practiced equality: Homo kumbayaensis?
35 posted on 10/21/2015 11:47:31 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Why is this so hard to believe?

It's not a case of it being easy or hard to believe. It's amusement over "scientists" making definitive statements about something they can only speculate about.

As others have noted, neolithic people who modern men HAVE had a chance to study over the last few hundred years (American Indians) were not feminist societies, which casts doubt over the speculations of these guys.

36 posted on 10/21/2015 11:56:15 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: Fzob

yes but t the same time, it seems too naiive and too blatant


37 posted on 10/21/2015 12:47:39 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: fortheDeclaration

Yeah, although according to non-biblically accepted book of the Alphabet of Ben Sira, before there G*d created Eve, G*d created Lilith, at the same time as G*d created Adam. But Lilith was dissatisfied and departed Eden because she was a gender equality advocate or something like that.

At least according to the H2 channel special “Banned from the Bible II” that I watched last evening on cable.

I report, you decide... :-)


38 posted on 10/21/2015 1:05:25 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: Verginius Rufus

Thanks. That reminds me, that according to my family lore, my great grandma from Texas was allegedly kidnapped from a texas pueblo by my great grandpa. Supposedly it was common practice as late as the 1860s or 1870s or so, although my family’s incident was allegedly somewhat later than that.

Anyway kidnapping of females by males does not imply equality, unless there is an equal amount of kidnapping of females by males... correct? just checking... :-)


39 posted on 10/21/2015 1:13:34 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: Colorado Doug

keyboard spew alert


40 posted on 10/21/2015 1:14:25 PM PDT by SteveH
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