Posted on 10/15/2015 11:03:08 AM PDT by conservativejoy
I am glad that Trump has not attacked Carson on a personal level. That would just be counter productive.
However, there is an avenue of attack that needs to be pursued. Carson has a very weak position on illegal immigration, suggesting that we adopt Canada's Guest Worker program.
Nowhere have I found any statement from Ben Carson indicating his willingness to enforce our immigration laws, which he calls immoral.
Are we really going to continue to support someone who does not realize how vital it is to our survival to regain and protect our sovereignty? Are we going to elect someone who allows illegal invasion to drain our resources and compromise our safety?
I hope that Trump or Cruz will challenge Ben Carson on this issue in the upcoming debate. I think many people supporting Carson do not know how dangerous his position is to our country.
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Ben Carson on Immigration
The date on this is Feb 23, 2015. I have found nothing that says that Carson has altered his position.
Moral low road to use cheap labor if no path to citizenship
Carson has not directly said if he supports a pathway to citizenship, but in his book America The Beautiful, Carson seemed to imply that a pathway to citizenship is the “moral” thing to do.
“Is it moral for us, for example, to take advantage of cheap labor from illegal immigrants while denying them citizenship? I’m sure you can tell from the way I phrased the question that I believe we have taken the moral low road on this issue,” he wrote.
Carson has also said the United States should model its immigration reform after Canada’s guest-worker program. “People already here illegally could apply for guest-worker status from outside of the country,” Carson wrote in November. “This means they would have to leave first.”
Source: National Journal 2016 series: Republicans on immigration , Feb 23, 2015
Here is the full quote:
Is it moral for us, for example, to take advantage of cheap labor from illegal immigrants while denying them citizenship? Im sure you can tell from the way I phrased the question that I believe we have taken the moral low road on this issue. Some segments of our economy would virtually collapse without these undocumented workerswe all know thatyet we continue to harass and deport many individuals who are simply seeking a better life for themselves and their families.
I urge Trump because he is the frontrunner. If Cruz would do it, he would gain some points in the polls. That is why I included him in the body of the post, encouraging either or both of them to challenge Carson.
If you are so passionate about this, why not have YOUR candidate Cruz attack Carson on this issue?
Trump refers to illegals that would be let back in as those who have contributed to society. No one with a criminal record or on public assistance could return. The process of legal immigration itself would be a deterrent to most of them, which is why they came illegally in the first place.
Totally agree. Good comments.
I did urge Cruz to challenge him in the post.
>>Here is the full quote:
So, he didn’t actually call our laws immoral. He asked if it was moral for us to encourage them to enter the country so we can use them as cheap labor with no means of becoming citizens.
I agree with that. They should not be here. They should not be working in our fields and factories and construction sites. Using them is immoral.
For the record, I am not a Carson fan, but I hate dishonesty and twisting words. The desperation of Cruz fans here does not help his case one bit.
For Pete sake, by definition, if something is not moral it is immoral.
If you can find any position that Carson has taken that advocates enforcing our immigration laws instead of questioning the morality of deportation, please get back to me.
>>For Pete sake, by definition, if something is not moral it is immoral.
He didn’t say that the law was immoral. He said that the use of them as cheap labor is immoral. Do you consider using illegals as cheap labor to be moral? You obviously disagree with Carson’s statements. After all, in your words, that which is not immoral must be moral.
>>If you can find any position that Carson has taken that advocates enforcing our immigration laws instead of questioning the morality of deportation, please get back to me.
I didn’t write a vanity post that makes its point with untruths.
Trump’s going to have to wait since Carson is taking a campaign break to go a book tour.
If that doesn’t wake people up about Dr. “You want the guy behind the counter” Carson, nothing will.
September 5, 2015
Ben Carson supports citizenship for illegal aliens
By Ed Straker
Ben Carson supports citizenship for illegal aliens. He didn't call for this in 2004, or 2008 or 2012 or late last year. He called for it just this past June.
On Wednesday, Dr. Ben Carson said Americas borders must be sealed to protect against terrorism and told a prominent group of Latino elected officials that he also supports giving illegal immigrants a path to legalization and eventual citizenship. Regarding the countrys illegal immigrants, Carson said, many of them have never known any other country so where are you going to send them?
That's rather odd. I thought immigration was supposed to serve American policy, not the wishes and feelings of the people who illegally came here. What about the feelings of American citizens? Carson doesn't talk about our feelings. And Carson is exaggerating--most illegals have very clear memories of the country they came from. When he talks like this, he sounds like Jeb Bush.
Carson said the country must provide them a way so that they dont have to hide in the shadows and give them an opportunity to become guest-workersthey have to register, they have to enroll in a back tax program.
"Help them out of the shadows" is more liberal-speak. If I didn't know who was speaking, I'd think it was Obama (or Jeb Bush).
And if they want to become citizens they have to get in the line with everyone else because we have to pay homage to people whove done it the right way, Carson added.
This is the part that worries me. What, exactly, does it mean that they have to "go to the back of the line"? Many people wait years, even decades to enter the United States. Will these people have to wait ten or twenty years until their number is called? Or does"go to the back of the line" have another meaning, which is they can apply for citizenship now, years ahead of when they would get that option if they applied legally?
In any event, there is no ambiguity about one thing: however long illegals have to wait for citizenship, they can do their waiting in America. Unlike someone waiting patiently in Europe for permission to immigrate for years and years, illegals can continue to benefit from their illegality by staying and working in America until they get citizenship. So this language about "going to the back of the line" and being treated like legal immigrants is nonsense. Under Carson's plan they would effectively have a chair at the front of the line, since they would never have to go back to their home countries and stay there to reapply. That's what they'd have to do if they were really going "to the back of the line."
I'm troubled by this and some of the other positions taken by Carson. We need a committed constitutional conservative for president who will enforce all the laws, even the ones related to immigration.
At some point Trump will challenge Carson but right now he serves a useful purpose of being a buffer between Trump and the rest of the field.
Carson is really weak on guns and immigration. There is no way I’d vote for the guy due to that and he’s just not prepared to be President. He won’t be hard to dismantle. He’s going to stop campaigning for a few weeks to sell his book so how serious is the guy anyway? A few weeks in politics is like a year in normal time.
His regrettable stance on illegal immigration woke me up.
I’m not sure how much of a buffer Carson is. He doesn’t seem to be taking much fire. I guess because he might as well be Jeb Bush when it comes to immigration.
I think you are probably correct about Carson’s supporters not having illegal immigration as a #1 issue. However, that is the very issue that is at the top of my list for remedy. Carson has a chance now to look at what is happening in Germany to get a good view/understanding as to problems with immigrants who for many of them means free deserved free bees. Dr. Carson likes to speak about the Founder’s intent for this Nation. However, he doesn’t speak to the Founder’s intent for a Nation of contributing immigrants.
>>We need a committed constitutional conservative for president who will enforce all the laws, even the ones related to immigration.
I agree completely. But, a president has to be foremost, a LEADER. A leader needs a lot more than a knowledge of laws. Leadership is a fleeting thing that requires the right person, with the right attributes, at the right time.
I think Carson is helping keep everybody else out of the hunt for now. I do believe Trump will get most of Carson’s support when he starts to slide.
I don’t see anything in Carson’s skillset that speaks “Leadership” to me, certainly not on a national/international scale. He would be eaten alive both in Washington and on the world stage.
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