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Have humans made dogs STUPID? Pets are 'lazy thinkers' compared to wild wolves and [tr]
UK Daily Mail ^ | September 16, 2015 | Richard Gray

Posted on 09/16/2015 5:24:45 AM PDT by C19fan

They may be man's best friend, but dogs have little to thank humans for it seems. Research suggests the domesticated pets can't solve problems as well as their wild cousins because living with us has made them 'incapable of thinking for themselves.' In tests, experts presented a 'puzzle box' containing food to a group of dogs, and a group of wolves and while the wolves were capable of breaking inside, the dogs looked to humans for help.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; dog; dogs; domestication; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; huntergatherers; wolves
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To: Salamander

Well, yes. Probably. But as dogs get fed regularly and given affection, they generally lose the skills needed to survive either in the wild or in horrible situations. Happens in lions too if “Born Free” is anything to go by.


41 posted on 09/16/2015 6:35:13 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: miss marmelstein

Those are cats, not dogs.

:D

I must disagree.

I have had Ibizan Hounds and Portuguese Podengos for 25 years.

Neither breed needs me to survive.

I could turn them loose in the woods and they’d thrive.

Sometimes, I think they only come back inside for the fluffy comforters.

:)

The “Life After People” series addressed the dogs without human caretakers issue.

Except for dogs like Pugs and lap dogs, they’d all do just fine without us.

Chillingly so.


42 posted on 09/16/2015 6:42:44 AM PDT by Salamander (...and He who made kittens, put snakes in the grass...)
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To: C19fan

Not stupid, domesticated.


43 posted on 09/16/2015 6:47:57 AM PDT by super7man (Oh why did I post that, now I'll never be able to run for Congress.)
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To: Salamander

And I disagree with you. Rescue dogs, given enough food and comfort, will drop their instinctive habits of survival. My God, even the birds at my backyard feeder have become welfare recipients. How bewildered they all look when it’s empty.


44 posted on 09/16/2015 6:53:11 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: Salamander

:D


45 posted on 09/16/2015 6:57:57 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: miss marmelstein
I can top that.

The woman on the other side of the ridge regularly fed the birds.

One day, she dropped dead.

A few days later, all the birds, en masse, showed up in *my* yard.

No idea why they picked me [besides the sucker sign on my back] but I've been feeding them ever since.

They're just pitiful, especially in the winter.

And I've had “welfare possums” dump their litters in my smokehouse, for me to raise.

But my ‘primitive breeds’ can easily survive.

Try and catch the “Life After People” series.

You'll enjoy it.

46 posted on 09/16/2015 7:00:35 AM PDT by Salamander (...and He who made kittens, put snakes in the grass...)
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To: Irenic

They’ve all now woken up, been out and fed.

While he was eating, I sprawled myself out and can actually now feel my legs again.

;D


47 posted on 09/16/2015 7:02:34 AM PDT by Salamander (...and He who made kittens, put snakes in the grass...)
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To: Salamander

I’ll look for it.


48 posted on 09/16/2015 7:05:48 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: C19fan

have humans made WELFARE recipients LAZY and STUPID for several generations...???


49 posted on 09/16/2015 7:06:33 AM PDT by zzwhale
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To: Salamander

Aren’t they great?!


50 posted on 09/16/2015 7:09:00 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: miss marmelstein

YouTube has it

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Life+After+People+Season+1&FORM=RESTAB

History Channel stopped streaming full episodes when it went to DVD.


51 posted on 09/16/2015 7:09:33 AM PDT by Salamander (...and He who made kittens, put snakes in the grass...)
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To: Irenic

Yeah, they sure are.

:)


52 posted on 09/16/2015 7:10:26 AM PDT by Salamander (...and He who made kittens, put snakes in the grass...)
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To: C19fan

Ooh, I don’t know about dogs having been made stupid.

They come from the womb, equipped to do the things they need to do, unlike humans.

For example, we just got a chihuahua puppy 3 weeks ago, and it was 6 weeks old. After about a week, it was doing things that human babies can’t do. It eats and drinks on its own (after the food and water are served). It waits to go outside to do its #1 and #2. It runs and plays without supervision. It had a hard time learning how to climb stairs, but, just before it turned 2 months old, it had figured it out on its own. I observed how he was frustrated about not being able to climb even the first step. Then, the puppy took 4 steps back, and with a running start, it went up the stairs with no problem at all. Nobody taught him how to step back and take that running start. We bought him a little kennel 3 days and put a kennel-sized pillow inside, and the puppy figured out that, that was his bed, and he’s been sleeping there ever since. He wants to be held all the time, but, when we tell him “kennel” he knows what we mean and immediately goes to it.

So, what human baby 2 years old can do all of that on his/her own? Heck, even 3-year old kids have a hard time with some of those things that a puppy comes naturally equipped to do.


53 posted on 09/16/2015 7:27:31 AM PDT by adorno (w)
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To: tet68
Mine have absolutely trained me. After I let them out at night to do their business, they will not come in unless I give them their nightly car ride. They are superb negotiators.
54 posted on 09/16/2015 7:28:50 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Salamander

Odin? Could he be a Great Dane? My Dane’s named Canute, after the only Danish kind of England. It just seems Danes need noble names, even though thy tend to be silly love muffins and couch potatoes. BTW Canute owns what used to be “my” couch.


55 posted on 09/16/2015 7:32:53 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

My current dog herd will hide under the bed if they think a car ride is coming up. The only time they get in the car is to go to the vet or occasionally the boarding kennel.


56 posted on 09/16/2015 7:37:33 AM PDT by Ditter ( God Bless Texas!)
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To: tet68; LucyT

from LucyT
57 posted on 09/16/2015 7:40:21 AM PDT by Daffynition (*We are not descended from fearful men*)
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To: C19fan

Basically, they are criticizing dogs for their conditioned response. How many dog owners reward their pets when they misbehave by tearing into things, or bypassing any safeguards the human set in place?

Because dogs are conditioned that following the rules gets them affection and food, the researchers assert the dogs are less intelligent.


58 posted on 09/16/2015 7:44:51 AM PDT by MortMan (The rule of law is now the law of rulings - Judicial, IRS, EPA...)
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To: fulltlt
Imagine a scan of our dog's brain


59 posted on 09/16/2015 7:46:45 AM PDT by Daffynition (*We are not descended from fearful men*)
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To: adorno

60 posted on 09/16/2015 7:48:24 AM PDT by Daffynition (*We are not descended from fearful men*)
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