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Was the Civil War about Slavery?
Acton Institute, Prager University ^ | 8/11/2015 | Joe Carter

Posted on 08/11/2015 1:11:21 PM PDT by iowamark

What caused the Civil War? That seems like the sort of simple, straightforward question that any elementary school child should be able to answer. Yet many Americans—including, mostly, my fellow Southerners—claim that that the cause was economic or state’s rights or just about anything other than slavery.

But slavery was indisputably the primary cause, explains Colonel Ty Seidule, Professor of History at the United States Military Academy at West Point.

The abolition of slavery was the single greatest act of liberty-promotion in the history of America. Because of that fact, it’s natural for people who love freedom, love tradition, and love the South to want to believe that the continued enslavement of our neighbors could not have possibly been the motivation for succession. But we should love truth even more than liberty and heritage, which is why we should not only acknowledge the truth about the cause of the war but be thankful that the Confederacy lost and that freedom won.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.acton.org ...


TOPICS: Education; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: civilwar; dixie; prageruniversity; secession
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To: DoodleDawg

“The Supreme Court ruled on that”

So you agree with queer “marriage”?


581 posted on 08/19/2015 5:39:13 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Mollypitcher1

Feel free to post your “documentation”. All I’ve ever seen so far is 3rd hand anecdotes.


582 posted on 08/19/2015 5:42:00 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: NKP_Vet
So you agree with queer “marriage”?

Do you agree with Heller v. D.C.?

583 posted on 08/19/2015 5:43:54 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: NKP_Vet
So you agree with queer “marriage”?

No, I think it's an abomination, but it's also the law of the land. I think it rates right up there with Dred Scott and Roe v. Wade in terms of offense, but they're the law of the land as well.

If we go picking and choosing which parts of the agreement we're going to abide by and which ones we're not then we are no better than the left. If you don't like the law then change it.

584 posted on 08/19/2015 5:48:01 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Very interesting that you wrap yourself in the Declaration as a justification of the Confederacy when leaders of the Confederacy rejected the central thesis of the document.

s. We now begin to experience the danger of admitting so great an error to have a place in the declaration of our independence. For a long time it lay dormant; but in the process of time it began to germinate, and produce its poisonous fruits. It had strong hold on the mind of Mr. Jefferson, the author of that document, which caused him to take an utterly false view of the subordinate relation of the black to the white race in the South; and to hold, in consequence, that the former, though utterly unqualified to possess liberty, were as fully entitled to both liberty and equality as the latter; and that to deprive them of it was unjust and immoral. To this error, his proposition to exclude slavery from the territory northwest of the Ohio may be traced, and to that the ordinance of ’87, and through it the deep and dangerous agitation which now threatens to ingulf, and will certainly ingulf, if not speedily settled, our political institutions, and involve the country in countless woes.. John C Calhoun Speech on the Oregon Bill.

Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the “storm came and the wind blew.”. Alexander Stevens cornerstone Speech.

585 posted on 08/19/2015 6:18:06 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: BroJoeK

1775 rebels fire on government troops

1861 rebels fire on government troops

1776 rebels declare independence

1861 rebels declare independence

1775 government wages war to crush the rebellion and to force the rebels back into union

1861 government wages war to crush the rebellion and to force the rebels back into union

1775 & 1779 emancipation proclamations

1863 emancipation proclamation


586 posted on 08/19/2015 9:27:36 PM PDT by Pelham (Deo Vindice)
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To: rockrr; PeaRidge
rockrr: "It’s interesting that each and every one of those complaints euphemistically refer to the Peculiar Institution. Who knew?"

FRiend PeaRidge wishes us to forget about those four official "Reasons for Secession" -- move along, nothing to see here.
He wants us instead to focus our attention on those 11 ordinances of secession, because in them, words like "slavery", "domestic institution" and "property" appear only rarely.
Therefore, PeaRidge wishes us to understand, slavery was not really the problem for those Deep South Fire Eaters.

But as in everything else, PeaRidge is here just taking a blind eye to the historical evidence.
Of the seven original Deep South seceding states,

But PeaRidge wishes us to ignore those, and focus instead on states which produced no Reasons documents, or listed no reasons in their secession ordnances, and so we should understand that particular absence of evidence is evidence of absence of slavery as important to them.

Won't wash.

587 posted on 08/20/2015 12:37:45 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: DoodleDawg

Your sarcasm is habitual.
Try to imagine a building without a foundation. Upon what would it stand?
The Declaration of Independence is the foundation upon which the United States of America was built. Without the Declaration, we would not exist!


588 posted on 08/20/2015 3:37:28 AM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Mollypitcher1
Your sarcasm is habitual.

But usually justified.

The Declaration of Independence is the foundation upon which the United States of America was built.

But it is not law.

589 posted on 08/20/2015 4:00:43 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Your “density” is also habitual. What a pain it must be to be as blind as you appear to be. Comprehension is not your long suit.


590 posted on 08/20/2015 4:12:46 AM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Mollypitcher1
What a pain it must be to be as blind as you appear to be.

And if ignorance truly is bliss then how happy you must be.

591 posted on 08/20/2015 5:43:22 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Pelham

1775 Virtuous independence

1861 evil domination


592 posted on 08/20/2015 5:45:00 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Pelham
"History never repeats itself, but the Kaleidoscopic combinations of the pictured present often seem to be constructed out of the broken fragments of antique legends."

Mark Twain (The Gilded Age)

593 posted on 08/20/2015 7:26:46 AM PDT by HandyDandy (Don't make-up stuff. It just wastes everybody's time.)
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To: DoodleDawg
Ah yes, the ever popular unwritten, natural, means-what-I-want-it-to-mean, higher than high law.

You keep saying it is unwritten, and I keep telling you that it is written in the Declaration of Independence. I think you know this, you just don't want to accept the fact that you are wrong.

How can you beat that?

I would think that you can't, but apparently you are trying to beat it by pretending it doesn't exist.

594 posted on 08/20/2015 10:11:35 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Ditto
Very interesting that you wrap yourself in the Declaration as a justification of the Confederacy when leaders of the Confederacy rejected the central thesis of the document.

Well it is my opinion that it does not have to meet with their approval in order to remain valid.

595 posted on 08/20/2015 10:18:31 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
You keep saying it is unwritten, and I keep telling you that it is written in the Declaration of Independence.

Yes, if nothing else you are repetative.

596 posted on 08/20/2015 11:13:08 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp
Yes, it happened; but in 1863 - not in 1860.

As for homosexual “rights”, one would have to have been blind and foolish not to expect that development.

597 posted on 08/20/2015 11:16:19 AM PDT by quadrant (1o)
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To: DoodleDawg
Yes, if nothing else you are repetative.

Some children are not smart enough to get it the first few times you show it to them.

598 posted on 08/20/2015 11:16:28 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg
But it is not law.

No, it is higher than mere "law." It is the thing which gives "law" the authority which it posses.

599 posted on 08/20/2015 11:17:52 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: PeaRidge

Thanks.


600 posted on 08/20/2015 11:18:23 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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