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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD APRIL 10, 2015
freerepublic | April 10, 2015 | greeneyes

Posted on 04/10/2015 8:14:14 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks.

No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. Planting, Harvest to Table(recipes)preserving, good living - there is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


TOPICS: Gardening
KEYWORDS: agriculture; food; gardening; hobby
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To: Ellendra
Save that trillium! It’s sold on the medicinal herbs market as “bethroot"

Is that the invasive purple flowered stuff. If so, my town is sitting on a gold mine.

61 posted on 04/11/2015 10:16:49 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of course I didn't read the article. After all, this is Free Republic.)
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To: Ellendra

PVC pipe, 6 mil clear plastic, and 60 watt light bulbs.


62 posted on 04/11/2015 10:18:19 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’d love to do that but the problem I have is that I don’t have enough land cleared yet. I was going to try a few plants last year to get experience but since it didn’t work out I think I’m just going to wait. I appreciate the offer though! Prayers up for your cancer deal.


63 posted on 04/12/2015 4:37:56 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: greeneyes

Praise God for this beautiful day! Our four feet of snow is GONE, and it will be near 70 the next two days without a cloud in sight. Seedlings are in for a treat! (My internet pastor is speaking about the Haldron Collider again...don’t want to miss this.)


64 posted on 04/12/2015 8:34:51 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.com)
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To: matthew fuller

You’re in Texas? Feed those puppies some Texas Tomato Food when they start to blossom, and you won’t BELIEVE the results. I use it here in soviet Red Hampshire...amazing growth and production.


65 posted on 04/12/2015 8:41:25 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.com)
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To: sockmonkey
Does it look like this:


There's also some with red or white flowers. If so, that's the one!
66 posted on 04/12/2015 12:03:58 PM PDT by Ellendra (People who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with.)
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To: Ellendra

Heyyyy. Great idea! I will have to look into that. Thanks!


67 posted on 04/12/2015 7:57:53 PM PDT by punknpuss
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To: greeneyes; Eric in the Ozarks
Pics from Eric.

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68 posted on 04/13/2015 7:09:17 AM PDT by Augie
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To: Augie

Thank you !


69 posted on 04/13/2015 7:13:21 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: greeneyes
Last week was a very busy one for me but I managed to get a bit done in spite of having limited free time. Bought tomato plants, cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower and brussels sprouts on Saturday. I noticed the bunching onions that I seeded last week are beginning to emerge. Snap peas are up ~4" tall. I sowed some dill, cilantro, radishes, and tatsoi yesterday. Salad in the cold frame is rocking. We've been eating on it for the past week.

Re-potted the tomatoes yesterday. I'm only putting out 32 this year.

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Cabbages, etc. are in the dirt. Garlic and potatoes in the background. I'm hoping the feed sacks reduce the need for weeding. I was hoping to go no-till, tried it last year, couldn't keep up with the crabgrass so I will continue to experiment until I find something that works.

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Little patch of volunteer cilantro. I'm going to let it grow. It will be ready to harvest long before time to make salsa so I'll dry it and then grind it up for later use.

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70 posted on 04/13/2015 7:39:08 AM PDT by Augie
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To: greeneyes; rightly_dividing; Silentgypsy; Marcella; murrie; ApplegateRanch; Ellendra; TArcher; ...

Dear Garden FRiends,

Sneaking in here into the back of the class...

We had a unit on turf grasses on Thursday. I confess, Darlin and I were sort of snoozin’ on this one. However there were a few take-aways.

The presenter is an authority on Bermuda grass, and has actually developed some new varieties. He takes care of the KC Royals park among other locations such as golf courses, parks, medians, municiple lawns, etc.

We learned what grasses are suited for lawns in our particular area, how to keep them healthy (good soil prep, proper soil testing, pH, etc). Benefits of various types suited for our area, versus the drawbacks of those same types.

A client needs to be apprised that there is actually NO PERFECT GRASS! If you want green 360 per year, you will have some work to do in this area. If you are satisfied with 9 months of green and a 3 month dormancy period, there are a number of grasses that can work well. Other requirements modify what type of grass to select based on the client’s expectations. But first of all help the client understand what is involved in his/her lawn expectation. And what can be done, or even should be done regarding those expectations. A client might start out expecting green 12 months per year, but when learning of the costs and effort involved in achieving it, they may modify their expectation. A golf grounds keeper has certain expectations that a home owner may share, but his may not be modified, while the home owner’s might be.

Since Texokie and Darlin are not caring if they have a few bare spots in their yard, dandelions, henbit, etc., despite the copious notes Texokie made, it is not our area of rapt interest. We are, however, glad to have met the person who would be willing to help us identify weeds, as we are researching the various edible weeds in our area.

We also participated this last week in a special event for Master Gardeners in our area. It was on Yard Art (ornaments made from re-purposed junk, stone marker painting, etc.) Darlin and I BOTH actually each won a door prize!

The other part of the event was on Herbs Growing in Oklahoma. Our presenter was faced with very limited time, and she would place a slide up on the screen chock full of info, and be speaking a mile a minute. *sigh* Texokie was sorrowful to not be able to capture nor retain very much of this information.

However, a few nuggets DID fall out:
*The extension agents are working on a new fact sheet on herbs in Oklahoma, so perhaps some of this info in detail may be made available in the future.
*When planting herbs:
~Can use them in borders often
~REmember medicinal herbs CAN BE POTENT! Can interact with meds. Be careful, and consult your doc/health care professional
~Herbs can be used in different sized spaces and do well in containers.
*GENERAL RULE ABOUT HERBS:
If you grow it for root or for fruit- it needs FULL SUN!
If you grow it for the leaves - partial shade is all you need!
She noted that while this is a general rule, there of course may be exceptions. But she did not go into that.

For those on facebook, she has a facebook page and is willing to answer questions, especially for people from Oklahoma. However, if you are in a similar growing zone, she may be willing to answer people from other states as well. She said do a search on “My Raggedy Herbs” Her name is Lori Coats. She especially is into growing Lavendar.

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I thought that I would continue my soil notes from last week, as I think they are of particular interest to all of us on this thread.

SOIL NOTES INSTALLMENT 3

SOIL STRUCTURE
In discussing structures, he introduced the word “peds.” This is basically the unit structure you are seeking to identify. If you are holding a loose handful of soil, and it is granular, each grain clump is a ped. If you are holding a large clump of clay, that unit which is all stuck in one piece is a ped.

*GRANULAR
Soil is made of horizons or layers. He mentioned that the Minnesota pic was about 5% org matter and is granular. It is ideal. It can hold water and won’t break roots.

*BLOCKY
This is soil in which the peds are of a squarish/rectangularish blocky form.

*PRISMATIC
Soil peds take on a columnar shape
He noted that drying of BLOCKY and PRISMATIC soils until they crack will break the roots.
Blocky can indeed move from blocky to granular by adding organic matter.

OTHER FORMS:
*PLATY – flat sheety structure
*SINGLE GRAIN – sand is an example.
* MASSIVE – He showed a picture of a large clod of dirt (ped) which was about 7x5” thick. [There was a pencil shown next to it for scale – this looked like he went to part of TEXOKIE’s yard to obtain it! LOL!]

IDEAL SOIL FOR CROP PRODUCTION
* Medium texture for air and water movement
* Sufficient clay to hold soil moisture reserves
* Deep, permeable sub soil with adequate fertility levels
* Good environment for roots to go deep for moisture and nutrients.

TIP ON TREE PLANTING IN POOR SOIL
To plant a tree in poor soil be sure to dig a much larger hole so you can put in good soil to let the roots breath through in growth.


71 posted on 04/13/2015 10:30:36 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: greeneyes

Just read your first post. Wishing you and especially your hubby well. Also glad your property did well in tornado-dodging!


72 posted on 04/13/2015 10:32:21 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: TEXOKIE
TEXOKIE :" REmember medicinal herbs CAN BE POTENT! Can interact with meds.
Be careful, and consult your doc/health care professional"

This rule is especially true, especially when using herbs for medicinals.
Many of our current medications come from different flora, even anti-vurus medications.
Some herbals magnify the effect of pharmicutical medications, while others minimze or are contra-indicated.
It is best to familiarize with the medicinal side effects of so called botanical medicine or phytomedicine .
Even wikipedia has a list of adverse and suspected effects of medicinal herbs at :
www. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_herbs_with_known_adverse_effects

73 posted on 04/13/2015 11:38:04 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: TEXOKIE
TEXOKIE :" Sneaking in here into the back of the class..."

Hey , that's where I hang out!!
Thanks for the update on soils , grass , and herbals
Grasses may not seem relevent to you now , but wait 'till someone asks questions about it, and then you'll have to 'punt'. Lol !
Been there ,... done that !

Glad to hear that you and Darlin are still being challenged by the classwork and study .
Just a word : try to keep a list of instructors,extension contacts, and other folks in class along with method of future contact( phone, email, facebook, etc.).
Followup will keep you in the information loop for further education opportunities, and people to contact when you can't find an appropriate answer to your questions.
Consider it :" Horticultural Prepardness"

74 posted on 04/13/2015 11:56:38 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Ellendra

Thanks for those recipes on cooking thread - I copied them.


75 posted on 04/13/2015 1:46:06 PM PDT by Marcella (TED CRUZ Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: greeneyes; JRandomFreeper; sockmonkey; All
We got three inches of rain today, more rain than we have had at one time since last May, yes, May of 2014.

I brought three blackberry plants in pots with me and they are blooming. The walking onions in the long planters are tall now and doing their sci fi method of reproducing and I still don't have them transplanted into an above ground large planter.

Johnny, I keep forgetting to tell you about the two pots of Aloe Vera you gave me. We wintered them in the garage and now they are outside and doing well.

Put the orange tree outside about a week ago and it looks like hell with leaves drooping. I stuck Jobe’s fertilizer stakes in it a couple of days ago and hope that revives it.

76 posted on 04/13/2015 2:05:05 PM PDT by Marcella (TED CRUZ Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella
Drat. I was hoping that I could get rid of some more aloe. I still have too much..

/johnny

77 posted on 04/13/2015 2:32:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

That is a good amplification of the rule about herbal meds and even natural supplements! We really need to know more about what we are doing when we use ANY kind of medicine!


78 posted on 04/13/2015 6:36:17 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

“Horticultural Preparedness.” LOL! so true and well said! Am doing that very thing. Contact files are growing!


79 posted on 04/13/2015 6:37:44 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: TEXOKIE

Thank you! Have you posted any pix of your prize-winning yard art?


80 posted on 04/13/2015 7:20:10 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (Mind your atomic bonds.)
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