Posted on 04/03/2015 10:07:41 AM PDT by Swordmaker
Former Hewlett-Packard chief Carly Fiorina on Thursday blasted Apple CEO Tim Cook's opposition to Indiana's religious freedom law as "hypocrisy."
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Fiorina, a potential 2016 GOP presidential contender, said Cook had a double standard and cited Apple's operations in other countries with controversial laws about gays and women in an interview with The Wall Street Journal.
“When Tim Cook is upset about all the places that he does business because of the way they treat gays and women, he needs to withdraw from 90% of the markets that he’s in, including China and Saudi Arabia,” Fiorina argued. “But I don’t hear him being upset about that."
Fiorina said his stance exposed a “level of hypocrisy here that is really unfortunate.” She added that Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act contained “nothing objectionable" and that Cook’s criticism stemmed from “narrow special interests” rather than reality.
“I think this is a ginned-up controversy by people who play identity politics that has divided the nation in a way that is really unhelpful,” Fiorina added.
Cook, who came out as gay last year, criticized the Indiana measure when it was signed into law last week. The CEO said it ran counter to Apple's policies on tolerance.
“Apple is open for everyone,” he tweeted March 28. “We are deeply disappointed in Indiana’s new law.”
The bill's supporters argue it is a necessary protection for businesses against government meddling in their faith-based decisions. But critics claim the legislation protects discrimination against gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender individuals.
Gov. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), another 2016 hopeful, signed the act on March 26.
It immediately sparked a backlash, with the Twitter hashtag #BoycottIndiana trending. A number of businesses, other state governments and celebrities also blacklisted the Hoosier State.
Pence and state legislators were forced to backtrack, and on Thursday he signed a fix to the measure which now prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity. It also bars business owners from using the law as a defense if they refuse services to protected groups.
Salesforce, Twitter and Yelp are a few of the tech industry players that joined Apple in opposing the law’s original language.
He's my guy. Some here on FR and especially in the media say that he doesn't have a chance. Well, who does have a chance? It's probably too early to tell who all will actually throw their hats in the ring and, if so, who will be flushed out for lack of money or low numbers or whatever, but I'm sticking with Cruz as long as he's in the game.
I think that Steve Jobs was what I would call an un-self-examined conservative. In other words, his actions as a capitalist and his words in the speeches he's made, do not match with supporting the goals of the socialist Democrat party. He never had time to stop and REALLY examine what he really believed and thought about fiscal and family issues and compare it to the party he was reared to believe represented what he thought. . . and had he done so, he may very well have discovered that it did not.
Apple, under Jobs, cooperated with regulations when necessary but protested when they did not make economic sense. However, Apple did not even maintain a lobbying presence in Washington or Sacramento! Even when Apple wanted something from the local government in Cupertino, Steve Jobs himself would appear before the City Council. . . this occurred even when Apple Inc was applying for the building permits for their new headquarters campus and ring building just months before Steve died. It was only after the Democrats started attacking Apple in 2012 that Apple started maintaining a full time lobbying presence in Washington under Tim Cook.
With Steve Jobs at the helm, Apple fought for worker rights in their supply chains because it was the right thing to do, even though it might cost more, but also for the practical capitalist reason that it would result in better products. Steve once said that if you kept your workers happy, they will tend be proud of their work and the products they make and do a better job.
At Apple, Steve ran the company as a benevolent dictatorship with movement into and upward in the structure as a meritocracy. . . that was certainly NOT a Democrat attribute where longevity and need would be the sole justification for any upward mobility and more of a conservative attribute.
Steve's and Apple's ecological efforts were quiet until Greenpeace decided to target Apple because of publicity reasons that involving Apple in anything garners. Greenpeace attacked Apple because Apple had not published their plans to meet the e-Peat requirements for energy conservation. . . ignoring the fact that Apple products were already list as e-Peat GOLD products. Apple had just not bothered to publish their plans to get to what they had already quietly done!
Perhaps he would have been a fiscal conservative Libertarian, but never a socialist tax and spend Democrat. . . but he just did not take the time to examine his positions because he was immersed in running Apple and really just couldn't be bothered. He certainly did not support the idea of group victimization. . . Apple believes in the individual and the creativity of individuals, not group think. Apple also supports family values in keeping smut apps off their App Stores and installing parental controls in their devices.
He won't explain, because he can't. Unfortunately he is being a bully in Indiana. . . and joining a crowd of bullies. In the other situations, he would be standing alone with no backing from his friends. There is no political will to go after the ancient oppression that is unlikely to change among those Islamic barbarians.
A FOX News reporter went into a Muslim Bakery in Dearborn Michigan and asked them to bake a Wedding Cake and was promptly turned down when the baker learned it was for a Gay wedding. . . but the Democrat LGBT community could not be less interested in going after THIS bakery. It doesn't fit their agenda of power seizure. Christian Pizza bakers and Indiana does.
As Rush pointed out this morning Christians make perfect targets for a set-up such as this. . . they will turn the other cheek when you hit them and then apologize for offending you after you hit them again! They are nice. The muslims are anything but nice.
Remember, this whole Indiana kerfuffle is a totally contrived and orchestrated event, a Soros funded political opera, a comedy of conflicting means of achieving power where one party has no morality or ethics at all and will do anything and do collateral harm to any innocent bystander to seize power.
just another way to refer to constitutionally enumerated rights, most of these well-known rights, including 1st Amendment-protected freedom of religious expression, listed in the Bill of Rights.No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States
Not all rights are enumerated:Amendment 9 - Construction of Constitution. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Under socialism, corporate executives are allowed to speak up....if they are members of the ruling party in good standing. . . and say things that support the party's policies 100% when they speak up.
There. Fixed it for you. . . Although you are probably describing Fascism, not socialism. Under pure socialism, there aren't too many "corporate executives" left to speak up. The collectives would be run by committees of workers. By definition anyone in authority would be law be a member of the party.
We've gone around and around about this before, Talisker, yet you apparently still prefer the false myth over the facts.
The suicide rate at Foxconn, even at its highest in 2010, was 1/4 that of same age groups in the general population of China. . . and 1/8 that of the entire population of China (older Chinese people, as in all populations, tend to kill them selves at a higher rate). It is 1/2 the suicide rate of students of the same ages at Ivy League Universities in the United States of America.
As a matter of fact, you would find it IMPOSSIBLE to find a city in the USA with a population of 650,000 (the number of FoxConn's work force that had only ONE SUICIDE PER MONTH (on a yearly basis), which works out to a suicide rate of 1.85 suicides per 100,000 employees (!), the rate you have your panties in a wad about!
Since that high level, FoxConn has increased its employment numbers to almost 800,000 and the number of suicides has dropped to fewer than TWO a year. in the four years since 2010. One of those years, there were ZERO suicides associated with any of FoxConn's twenty-two plants. That is an unheard of rate in a population so large. . . it's a suicide rate of 0.25 per 100,000 employees per year.
Terry Gou, the CEO of FoxConn installed the suicide nets in 2010 to prevent any more workers from jumping. He had made a mistake by giving the families of the first few jumpers the equivalent of a $50,000 condolence benefit. . . and a few workers decided that their families to whom they were sending support money would better off if they were dead, so they jumped. Gau cancelled the suicide reward money and installed the nets to prevent any more tragedies. It had NOTHING to do with working conditions. Again, if anyone wants to find the facts, they are discoverable, AFTER one wades through the swamp of obfuscation, propaganda and lies.
Facts and truth are powerful things.
We’ve gone around and around about this before, Talisker, yet you apparently still prefer the false myth over the facts.
And yet you also say,
Again, if anyone wants to find the facts, they are discoverable, AFTER one wades through the swamp of obfuscation, propaganda and lies.
So everybody knows this - except that to know it, one has to wade through a swamp of obfuscation, propaganda and lies?
Yet to not know it doesn't mean I never knew it, or that it was hidden by a swamp of lies. No, means I apparently still prefer the false myth over the facts.
M'kay. Apple conducts rough classrooms. You'd think I was asking from Indiana. Thanks for the info.
The only thing I want to add is that the workers were Chinese, FoxConn Technology Group, Ltd., the company where they are working is owned by Hon Hai Precision Industries Company, Ltd., is not a Communist Chinese company. It is a Taiwanese company.
Indeed, and measuring suicide is - by any standard - the absolute lowest possible measure of working conditions. The very fact that the Foxconn suicide rate is lower than normal, after being higher than normal, merely indicates their suicide prevention measures are working so well that they are artificially minimizing the norm.
And that doesn't mean that the working conditions are necessarily better - people take those jobs out of desperation. A simple threat to fire and ban any suicide's relatives from work at Foxconn would have a dramatic effect on the stats. Remember, this is China - they don't play nice with their people.
Here are some other statistics: China Labor Watch: Analyzing Labor Conditions of Pegatron and Foxconn: Apple’s Low-Cost Reality
Note that I'm not singling out Apple per se - I'm just saying they're no different than any other multinational using third-world labor for as absolutely as cheaply as humanly possible. And, of course, selling their products in third-world hellholes that think "human rights" are a brand of toilet paper.
That's WHY these multinationals are worth billions, because that's what they DO. And Apple is absolutely no different from any of them - except, of course, it's claims of moral high ground. Although I think Tim Cook finally put paid to that fraud this week, at least to American Christians.
After all, threatening an entire State economy over a lawfully passed bill protecting people from religious persecution, but which offends a CEO's personal sexual preference and has nothing to do with the products his company sells, is absolutely the sign of a higher consciousness way of doing business.
On the other hand, who's the alternative moral high ground CEO - Bill Gates? Bwahahaha! Creatures, both of them.
He is bright, but in a completely different way. It was Cook who designed Apple's supply chain manufacturing system with its just-in-time delivery system that has kept costs extremely low for Apple and product delivery on time in sufficient quantity to meet projected demand. As a product development guy, that would be Jonny Ive now.
I didn't say he'd be a good president, I said he'd make a better choice for Democrats than Obambi or Hillary. Big difference.
Sorry, that was done by Matt Carter at the original Mac Factory in Fremont, California. It was state-of-the-art at the time, and Matt did a fantastic job setting it up and running it until Steve Jobs insulted him one too any time and Matt told him to screw off and quit. Jobs had a panic attack and did everything in his power to get Matt back, but Matt refused. Like many engineers around Jobs, he'd had enough and there were a lot of work available in the Valley where they didn't get trate like crap by a paranoid narcissist.
China Labor Watch has been debunked many times and been caught using videos from other manufacturers assembly lines claiming they were videos from FoxConn assembly lines. . . and videos from non-FoxConn dormitories where people were stacked in bunkbeds eight high that were NOT FoxConn's. Sorry. They are not true.
For example, the very first claim that Apple "1. Apple consistently suppresses labor costs by shifting production to cheaper manufacturers", is false on its face. Apple has been working with FoxConn for over TWELVE YEARS as its primary assembly manufacturer.
Apple ADDED Pegatron to meet overwhelming demand, and FoxConn is still the primary contractor for Apple. It would be absurd to switch all assembly to Pegatron to save $61 million when Apple OWNS the equipment installed on the assembly lines at FoxConn, investments that total over $225 BILLION. Apple had to make even MORE of an investment to add to their productive capacity at Pegatron. Do you see what an absurdity China Labor Watch's claim is?
Apple by contract FORCED FoxConn to raise the pay of the workers on its assembly lines to THREE TIMES what other manufacturers were paying for similar work. This is well documented. Do you seriously believe Apple would jump ship to another assembler, move equipment which requires cessation of production (there has not been any cessations), merely to save a paltry $61 million.
It was China Labor Watch that fed Mike Daisey his false information and provided propaganda. . . that got his report pulled from NPR. . . and caused newspapers to retract his stories. Like other such organizations, they know that if they attach the name Apple to their claims, they get a LOT more attention.
You can believe what you want. . . but I prefer not to believe what a known leftist propaganda organization, that publishes obvious lies (see above) to get attention, says. Hard news organizations and legitimate economists have investigated and discovered that China Labor Watch just does not report the truth.
I have posted the links to the accurate information multiple times on FR and I simply and not going to do it again on this thread.
No sir, it was not, because the need for it did not yet exist. . . nor were the complex nature of the assembly in China with plants everywhere. Cook is credited with this. Sorry, you are wrong. Some parts of it are Carter's but the whole is not.
Sorry right back at you, I've got personal knowledge of this. The original Mac factory was JIT - no inventory - and Matt Carter set it up. And was quite famous for it at the time, btw. This is not an issue subject to questioning, as even a little research will prove. You do people who accomplished a lot a disservice here. You don't have to knock others to support Cook.
I am not knocking him. . . I'm talking about the much larger operations in China. The operations in Fremont to produce a couple of million Macs a year are nothing compared to producing 200 million iPhones and iPads per year. As I said Carter's techniques were part of it, but arranging a couple of dozen component deliveries on time to over several hundred from dozens of manufacturers from multiple countries on several continents is a different level of complexity. THAT was Cook.
Cook is more annoying than iTunes on Win7+ ...
I love my iPhone 5s. The iTunes app however completely sucks... it complains, it demands, it’s a pain in the ars...
We know a few things:
1) Tim Cook is stupid
2) Tim Cook has not surrounded himself with people who would have stopped him from doing something stupid
3) Tim Cook should be fired by the Board of Directors.
Ditto!
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