We've gone around and around about this before, Talisker, yet you apparently still prefer the false myth over the facts.
The suicide rate at Foxconn, even at its highest in 2010, was 1/4 that of same age groups in the general population of China. . . and 1/8 that of the entire population of China (older Chinese people, as in all populations, tend to kill them selves at a higher rate). It is 1/2 the suicide rate of students of the same ages at Ivy League Universities in the United States of America.
As a matter of fact, you would find it IMPOSSIBLE to find a city in the USA with a population of 650,000 (the number of FoxConn's work force that had only ONE SUICIDE PER MONTH (on a yearly basis), which works out to a suicide rate of 1.85 suicides per 100,000 employees (!), the rate you have your panties in a wad about!
Since that high level, FoxConn has increased its employment numbers to almost 800,000 and the number of suicides has dropped to fewer than TWO a year. in the four years since 2010. One of those years, there were ZERO suicides associated with any of FoxConn's twenty-two plants. That is an unheard of rate in a population so large. . . it's a suicide rate of 0.25 per 100,000 employees per year.
Terry Gou, the CEO of FoxConn installed the suicide nets in 2010 to prevent any more workers from jumping. He had made a mistake by giving the families of the first few jumpers the equivalent of a $50,000 condolence benefit. . . and a few workers decided that their families to whom they were sending support money would better off if they were dead, so they jumped. Gau cancelled the suicide reward money and installed the nets to prevent any more tragedies. It had NOTHING to do with working conditions. Again, if anyone wants to find the facts, they are discoverable, AFTER one wades through the swamp of obfuscation, propaganda and lies.
Facts and truth are powerful things.
We’ve gone around and around about this before, Talisker, yet you apparently still prefer the false myth over the facts.
And yet you also say,
Again, if anyone wants to find the facts, they are discoverable, AFTER one wades through the swamp of obfuscation, propaganda and lies.
So everybody knows this - except that to know it, one has to wade through a swamp of obfuscation, propaganda and lies?
Yet to not know it doesn't mean I never knew it, or that it was hidden by a swamp of lies. No, means I apparently still prefer the false myth over the facts.
M'kay. Apple conducts rough classrooms. You'd think I was asking from Indiana. Thanks for the info.
Indeed, and measuring suicide is - by any standard - the absolute lowest possible measure of working conditions. The very fact that the Foxconn suicide rate is lower than normal, after being higher than normal, merely indicates their suicide prevention measures are working so well that they are artificially minimizing the norm.
And that doesn't mean that the working conditions are necessarily better - people take those jobs out of desperation. A simple threat to fire and ban any suicide's relatives from work at Foxconn would have a dramatic effect on the stats. Remember, this is China - they don't play nice with their people.
Here are some other statistics: China Labor Watch: Analyzing Labor Conditions of Pegatron and Foxconn: Apple’s Low-Cost Reality
Note that I'm not singling out Apple per se - I'm just saying they're no different than any other multinational using third-world labor for as absolutely as cheaply as humanly possible. And, of course, selling their products in third-world hellholes that think "human rights" are a brand of toilet paper.
That's WHY these multinationals are worth billions, because that's what they DO. And Apple is absolutely no different from any of them - except, of course, it's claims of moral high ground. Although I think Tim Cook finally put paid to that fraud this week, at least to American Christians.
After all, threatening an entire State economy over a lawfully passed bill protecting people from religious persecution, but which offends a CEO's personal sexual preference and has nothing to do with the products his company sells, is absolutely the sign of a higher consciousness way of doing business.
On the other hand, who's the alternative moral high ground CEO - Bill Gates? Bwahahaha! Creatures, both of them.