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Microsoft billionaire finds wreck of legendary Japanese battleship Musashi: [truncated]
UK Daily Mail ^ | March 4, 2015 | Flora Drury

Posted on 03/04/2015 6:14:40 AM PST by C19fan

Microsoft's co-founder has used his own submarine to find the wreck of the Japanese Navy's biggest warship - which has lain undiscovered at the bottom of the ocean for the past 70 years. Paul Allen revealed his amazing discovery to the world on Tuesday, by posting a photo to Twitter of the World War II battleship Musashi's rusty bow, which bore the Japanese empire's Chrysanthemum seal. The Musashi - which, along with its sister ship Yamato, was the heaviest and most powerfully armed battleship ever constructed - was sunk by the U.S. Navy in 1944, taking with it more than 1,000 crew members. But despite numerous eyewitness accounts, its exact location had remained a mystery - until now.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: australia; battleofleytegulf; godsgravesglyphs; japan; leyte; musashi; paulallen; philippines; sibuyansea; visayasislands; worldwareleven; ww2; yamato
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To: JRios1968

How would it hold up against a modernized flying submarine-battleship ATRAGON?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atragon


21 posted on 03/04/2015 7:32:43 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Blueflag

Musashi was hit by at least 17 bombs and 19 torpedos.


22 posted on 03/04/2015 7:34:20 AM PST by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: Vigilanteman

Its not my opinion. I’ve forgotten now the source, perhaps it was Garzke and Dulin’s definitive work, but the writer posited (with a detailed explanation) that the Mitsubishi yard was superior to the Kure naval yard, in the skill of its workforce and construction techniques.


23 posted on 03/04/2015 7:37:17 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Blueflag

There’s a very good book on the battle that finally turned back the Japanese Center Force, “The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors”. A tiny force of jeep carriers and destroyers beat back Kurita’s fleet. Well worth reading.


24 posted on 03/04/2015 7:39:55 AM PST by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: Blueflag

MUSASHI might have survived the aerial onslaught if she had put up a screen of grape. They had grape rounds for her 18” guns, but her Commander refused to fire them as he was afraid the rifling in the bores would be damaged.


25 posted on 03/04/2015 7:59:00 AM PST by punchamullah
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To: C19fan

Very interesting.

Thanks for posting.


26 posted on 03/04/2015 8:15:02 AM PST by onedoug
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To: punchamullah
You're referring to sanshikidan. Musashi did finally fire the stuff, but it was pretty late in the battle & there were no results.
27 posted on 03/04/2015 8:28:41 AM PST by skeeter
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To: DoodleDawg

Hence my tagline...


28 posted on 03/04/2015 8:58:49 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: skeeter
Interesting and entirely possible. I didn't realize the sister ships were built in different naval yards, so I looked it up. Kure (near Hiroshima) turned out a lot more volume. The Mitsubishi naval yard in Nagasaki had the reputation for better quality. Ironically, it still does. I used to work for Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in a previous life.

Kure still turns out the gunboats and lesser naval craft; Nagasaki the more high tech stuff. So I stand corrected.

However, I still think the nature of the missions, their fuel and their crew size also played a large role.

29 posted on 03/04/2015 9:16:08 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: C19fan

Thanks for posting this.


30 posted on 03/04/2015 9:34:30 AM PST by Boowhoknew
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To: Vigilanteman

I agree. It also may be that the Musashi had the better trained crew, as they were some. She certainly had a great damage control team by IJN standards.


31 posted on 03/04/2015 9:43:27 AM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

meant to say... as they were somewhat self conscious about their inferior status in the fleet to that of the Yamato. Probably worked harder to compensate.


32 posted on 03/04/2015 9:46:10 AM PST by skeeter
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To: C19fan; SunkenCiv
Might be of interest...

FMCDH(BITS)

33 posted on 03/04/2015 9:49:22 AM PST by nothingnew (Hemmer and MacCullum are the worst on FNC)
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To: skeeter

Yes, I’m sure quality of crew was as much a factor as quantity of the crew. By the time the Battle of Okinawa rolled around, the survival rate for Japanese naval crews in combat was only slightly better than that of kamikaze pilots.


34 posted on 03/04/2015 9:49:28 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
Read Requiem for Battleship Yamato (M Yoshida) for a pretty intense account of how true that was.
35 posted on 03/04/2015 9:58:11 AM PST by skeeter
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To: punchamullah

Those were the so-called “beehive” rounds?


36 posted on 03/04/2015 10:24:34 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

37 posted on 03/04/2015 10:48:00 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day

It occurred to me that the pictures coming from this discovery are going to be really interesting - an upright, intact japanese battleship wreck has never been found before. Battleships tend to upend to to topside armor.


38 posted on 03/04/2015 11:17:31 AM PST by skeeter
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To: WKUHilltopper
Reading the rest of the excerpt..

The Musashi - which, along with its sister ship Yamato, was the heaviest and most powerfully armed battleship ever constructed
39 posted on 03/04/2015 1:29:54 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: C19fan
BTW, ALSO it seems like media ignorance isn't limited to this side of the pond - other sources state the depth of the water the Musashi was found is 1 Kilometer. Thats about .6 miles. The Daily Mail got their conversion tables backwards.

I thought 1.6 miles was a little deep that close to land.

40 posted on 03/04/2015 2:26:24 PM PST by skeeter
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