Posted on 02/16/2015 9:51:12 AM PST by Paul46360
"Persons or entities that purchased gasoline or diesel fuel (“Plaintiffs”) on or after January 1, 2001, in the following States and jurisdictions –– Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, D.C., Guam and the U.S. Virgin Islands (the “States at Issue”) – brought lawsuits claiming that selling motor fuel without disclosing or adjusting for the effects of temperature violates consumer protection and other laws. All of the cases relating to the States at Issue and all of the Companies are consolidated in a multidistrict proceeding titled In re: Motor Fuel Temperature Sales Practices Litigation, MDL No. 1840, which is before the United States District Court for the District of Kansas (the “Court”)."
(Excerpt) Read more at hotfuelsettlements.com ...
The temperature for underground storage is the average temperature above ground.
Farmers all over the country kept their garden produce in underground cellers because it wouldn't freeze or spoil because the temperature stayed constant year around.
“But warming your own fuel does not make your fuel go further, unfortunately”
Heat it up with a match and you’ll go a LONG way.
They went pretty deep with these cellars, though.
Snopes hedges on this question and says the average effect of timing your daily purchases of fuel would be “small.” But how small? I think we would want to err on the side of too much information to the consumer since the sole purpose of the petrol is to deliver energy to the car.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/gastips.asp
oh har har har
1.5” x 3.5”?
And, what are the air circulation parameters to the cellars and how good is the thermal conductivity to the surrounding soil? They don’t seal gasoline storage airtight because they want the fumes to be able to ventilate. I can personally vouch that the temperature in a basement in the dead of winter in Chicago is 40 degrees, but in hot summer it is about 70, without the contribution of HVAC.
But the price has tripled, so are you still getting a 1/4 pounder?
I would rather we sue the congressmen who stole all of the fuel tax revenues and dumped it into the general fund.
If they ended up still owning the fillings in their teeth, it would be too much.
The temperature of underground storage wouldn't vary by more than a few degrees throughout the day.
The effect on the volume of fuel in a tank would not be measurable. The intake of the pumps is from the bottom of the tank so it would be the coldest part of the tank.
Oh, just haul out the old Dymo label maker and you have a refutation?
I know that storing potatoes in an underground cellar keeps them through the year.
You can get a better price for gasoline just by looking at the posted price.
It will effect the price much more than filling up early in the morning.
The canopy and obligation to lift a certain quantity (and sometimes credit card processing.) Few gas stations are owned by refiners.
The temperature of fuel depends on the storage volume at the refinery and distance from refinery to fuel terminal. Hot diesel is the primary issue...
Heavy oils are sold “net corrected to 60 F.”
The temperature of underground storage wouldn't vary by more than a few degrees throughout the day.
The effect on the volume of fuel in a tank would not be measurable. The intake of the pumps is from the bottom of the tank so it would be the coldest part of the tank.
Argument by label maker?
The loss in volume would be borne by the retailer in this case. It probably is significant.
This discussion is about the time of day you buy.
If you bought fuel right after it is delivered, temperature could effect it.
After a few hours it would be at the temperature of the tank. — So just watch when it is delivered.
In Idaho, and many other states, fuel is distributed from a rack system into truck-tankers from central storage tanks. The fuel is always declared at gross value, which in the winter will be less than the net (due to denser fuel) and higher than net in the summer (fuel will be less dense). It averages out over time in most areas. You'll get more fuel than you pay for in winter, and less in summer. The difference is minor, even at the tanker level. What you get for your car would be, depending on consumption, negligible, at best. Altitude also is a factor. Gross gallons are the equivalent to 60 degrees at sea level (IIRC, it's been 10+ years since I stopped working with the industry). Net is the adjustment from there.
We loaded 7500 gallons per load at the refinery rack.
“Wouldn’t it be fun to cut a three foot (that’s 24.000”) piece of 2x4 — oops, I mean 1 7/8 x 3 5/8 — and beat the shysters black and blue with it?”
Or get one from my 1836 farmhouse. 2” by 4” of solid White Oak. You wanna hang a picture,. you have to drill a hole to put the nail in!
And they are calibrated at the local meter.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.