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1 posted on 12/03/2014 12:14:10 PM PST by jyro
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How will this help?


2 posted on 12/03/2014 12:15:37 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens.)
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But Zero would not allow taxes against OPEC and his mooslim buddies.
3 posted on 12/03/2014 12:16:16 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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I think what you are thinking of is a tariff.

Generally tariffs are done in order to protect domestic goods and make them more appealing to be bought b/c the tariff cost has to then be added onto the foreign product.

If you can somehow show how this will benefit Americans at the pump I’d be for it. With a product like oil, given how much some of the domestic oil costs to produce, I’d really like to see how someone can show how a tariff would benefit the American consumer.


5 posted on 12/03/2014 12:17:47 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Also a good time to start phasing out ethanol in gasoline.


6 posted on 12/03/2014 12:18:02 PM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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Not unless they stop putting corn in my gasoline.


8 posted on 12/03/2014 12:18:47 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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The devil is in the details.

How much of a tax?
What exactly is to be taxed? Crude or refined products that get sold?
Who pays the tax? US business that purchase the oil is the most likely answer as it would be very difficult to tax companies not operating in the US.
Would this apply to oil sands as well?


9 posted on 12/03/2014 12:18:52 PM PST by taxcontrol
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import tax...
an unearned windfall for domestic oil producers.

a better idea is an export tax.


10 posted on 12/03/2014 12:19:27 PM PST by RockyTx
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Really bad idea.

Why do you want to make the US refining and petrochemical industry more expensive than the rest of the world?


12 posted on 12/03/2014 12:20:17 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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Because taxes are always good.


13 posted on 12/03/2014 12:21:52 PM PST by freedumb2003 (obozocare: shovel-ready health care)
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Because we haven’t pissed off Canada enough, yet?


14 posted on 12/03/2014 12:21:54 PM PST by sportutegrl
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I believe most of our imported oil is from Canada.


18 posted on 12/03/2014 12:26:05 PM PST by bkepley
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More taxes is a really stupid idea - sorry. Why should I give government even more tax revenue so they can waste it on crap?


19 posted on 12/03/2014 12:26:38 PM PST by plain talk
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I would like to replace all income taxes with tariffs and an modest NRST.


20 posted on 12/03/2014 12:26:48 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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I don’t care if my money goes to Canada or Mexico or Britain for oil. I do care if my money goes to Saudi Arabia or Iran or Russia or ISIS for oil. A tariff does not distinguish between friends and enemies; a political policy where America’s friends get rewarded and America’s enemies get shamed does. When Ted becomes President, the Cruz of oil will never run out.


24 posted on 12/03/2014 12:28:37 PM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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If the foreign countries are undercutting their prices so they can drive new oil producers out of business, then a tarriff is in order.

the constitution was originally designed to fund the government like that, wasn’t it?


27 posted on 12/03/2014 12:30:09 PM PST by Mr. K (Palin/Cruz 2016)
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Nah. For national security, get the NIMBYs and anti-competition interests out of the way of the Keystone XL. Let it go through. OPEC would lose even more control over oil prices.


28 posted on 12/03/2014 12:30:30 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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I’d settle for letting domestic producers export.

As it is now, it’s basically a transfer from royalty owners and small operators to multinational oil companies.


35 posted on 12/03/2014 12:34:33 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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If we want more domestic oil we don’t need a tariff on foreign oil, we just need to stop kneecapping domestic oil. We stand in our own way on this one.


44 posted on 12/03/2014 12:45:17 PM PST by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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I think it was Rush Limbaugh who long ago pointed out that encouraging increasing taxes on *anyone*, for whatever reason, is wrong. It’s usually done to punish someone, and it never works in doing that. But it invariably has very bad side effects that those who wanted the tax never imagined.


51 posted on 12/03/2014 12:52:31 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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Various comments here are incorrect.

We buy oil on the world market, regardless of where our contracts are made, therefore, a tariff will simply increase the cost of oil across the board.

A tariff targeting a particular industry is ultimately just a subsidy for domestic production. We should be getting rid of subsidies, especially farm subsidies and corporate subsidies.

We should not be rewarding inefficient producers, even domestic ones. We are no more obligated to bail out the US petroleum energy industry than we were obligated to subsidize Solyndra or bail out the UAW or the Banksters.

IIRC, we cannot target specific countries for anticompetitive practice under the WTO.

We should eliminate the ethanol subsidies and quotas. Dairy and Beef producers have been warning for years what an absolutely ridiculous idea it is to add baseline costs to the #1 grain crop of the country. The science backs them up. Even under wet milling of ethanol, the net oil displacement is on 0.26. That is, one "barrel" of ethanol, takes 3/4 of a barrel of oil produce. Using dry milling, there is actually a net loss of energy: it takes more than one barrel of oil to produce one barrel of ethanol. Research done at Cornell University made this claim YEARS ago. Under the Clinton Administration the USDA claimed the research was bad. Now, under full production, the Cornell results have been verified, and the USDA says, "Oops!" [and Bush was supposedly the guy "politicizing" science.]

None of that takes into consideration the increased cost of food production caused by the ethanol subsidy, nor the horrific damage that ethanol does to internal combustion engines, particularly small ones like chainsaws and lawn mowers, but also the injection systems of expensive cars.

Tell me again, why we would create a whole new subsidy lobby for the US Oil Companies?

Subsidies hurt everyone, but they hurt the people who receive them the most. If the Saudis want to sell us product under production cost we'll be happy to take their money. Frack'd wells can be restarted without significant production costs when prices rise, as they inevitably will.

Government is the problem. Money sent to the government keeps the monster growing. If you think tariff money will be used for anything other than pork funding and more debt I have a bridge in lower Manhattan to sell you. Don't feed the beast.

58 posted on 12/03/2014 1:07:26 PM PST by FredZarguna (NOT the craw, the CRAW!)
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