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I have recently modified my own firearm training to reflect the uselessness of standing still while engaging a stationary paper target

My training is comparable to an infantry battle drill, the idea being, when the SHTF, you aren't going to be able to think. You will be able to react however and your reaction will be whatever you have trained yourself to do.

If you trained yourself to stand in a perfect isosceles stance while holding your weapon in a perfect two handed weaver grip or whatever while delivering slow well aimed shots to a bullseye, you will probably end up hurt or worse. Or maybe you'll get lucky.

1 posted on 09/12/2014 12:09:36 PM PDT by RC one
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The problem is most ranges don’t even allow drawing from a holster, let alone realistic training.


2 posted on 09/12/2014 12:13:36 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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According to DOJ crime statistics, guns are used by US citizens 2.5 million times per year to prevent violent crimes like rape, robbery, home-invasion and carjacking, 99% of the time without a shot being fired (Source: GunFacts.info).

Given the above, 99 times out of 100 all you have to do is produce a firearm and the bad guy leaves.

You don't have to be a special operator to successfully defend yourself with a firearm.

3 posted on 09/12/2014 12:14:47 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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For the most likely scenario (home invasion), my lady has been instructed to empty the magazine (17 9mm) in their general direction.

Of course she’s shot at the range, and knows how to sight a “threat”.

But my assumption is that any average home invader is going to start running by at least shot #3, and (if not dead yet) keep running when shot #17 rings out.

Just sayin’.

If it’s me, I’ll be a little more judicious in ammo usage, making sure I’m on a useful target. I’ve practiced rolling on the ground, and can hit paper while in a complete log-roll upside down while on the move. I think I’ll be okay.


4 posted on 09/12/2014 12:15:16 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Clinton / Bush 2016?)
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M4L


6 posted on 09/12/2014 12:18:03 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (/s /s /s /s /s, my replies are "liberally" sprinkled with them behind every word and letter.!)
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Is Your Firearms Training Realistic?

Is Your Is my firearms Training Realistic? YES!

7 posted on 09/12/2014 12:23:27 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (In an Oligarchy, the sers don't count.)
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I have done the force-on-force training and it rocks. But setup is elaborate and expensive - we ended up building our own shoot house in a parking lot, probably way outside the city ordinances, but nobody came to object before we had the place torn back down. Very intense training. Simunitions are better than paintball but more expensive. Good times!

There's an easier solution, of course. We just make it illegal for anyone to commit a robbery without shouting "Threat!" and standing still. Dunno why nobody thought of that.

15 posted on 09/12/2014 12:33:34 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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We have a recent freeper sign up that belongs to this unit.

Does this shooting training look realistic enough to you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI01qKAqYts


21 posted on 09/12/2014 12:53:47 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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Don’t underestimate the damage a stationary paper target can do. For one thing, they can cause on heck of a wicked paper cut.


23 posted on 09/12/2014 12:56:24 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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What?

Drinking Millers and shooting the empties isn’t realistic training?


31 posted on 09/12/2014 1:03:27 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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The solution to this is quite simple, and yet about as realistic as you can get. Two people with cap guns. Maybe one with a rubber knife as well.

Seriously, if you shoot guns a lot, you are used to the look, feel and nature of real guns, so it is not hard to imagine a more realistic cap gun in the place of a real gun.

I’d add on a tripod and a digital video recorder, because you can learn a heck of a lot by watching your “game films”.

You can practice the Tueller drill. Likewise practice your subterfuge, using tricks to get close to the gunman.

Importantly, it *almost* feels embarrassing to shoot at someone with blanks, and that simulates the deadly hesitation you might get when you need to fire real bullets.


37 posted on 09/12/2014 1:25:17 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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Me and the wife were on the range today. She fired off 100 rounds in her new Glock 42 .380 pistol. I fired up my new shotgun with buck shot. Man what a hole that makes in the targets. Any guy I ht with that will not get up off the floor.


45 posted on 09/12/2014 1:49:30 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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If any of you are in the Salt Lake area, these are a great bunch of guys. They meet every month and do self defense scenarios.

Utah Polite Society

50 posted on 09/12/2014 2:01:27 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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I took a Simunitions class in a shoot house last year.

I did everything wrong (shot the wrong guy twice, got ambushed and killed twice), but, oh, man, did I learn a lot.

Training on a square range? OK to learn to operate the weapon. That’s about it.


61 posted on 09/12/2014 5:57:57 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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Is Your Firearms Training Realistic?

Very, but only if I'm being attacked by 108 millimeter flying clay discs.

66 posted on 09/13/2014 3:30:51 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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