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Ebola Surveillance Thread
Free Republic Threads ^ | August 10, 2014 | Legion

Posted on 08/10/2014 12:46:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe

I have spent a little time compiling links to threads about the Ebola outbreak in the interest of having all the links in one thread for future reference.

Please add links to new threads and articles of interest as the situation develops.

Thank You all for you participation.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: africa; airborne; cdc; czar; doctor; ebola; ebolaczar; ebolagate; ebolainamerica; ebolaoutbreak; ebolaphonywar; ebolastrains; ebolathread; ebolatransmission; ebolavaccine; ebolaviralload; ebolavirus; emory; epidemic; fluseason; frieden; health; healthcare; hospital; incubation; isolation; jahrling; liberia; nih; obamasfault; obola; outbreak; overpopulation; pandemic; peterjahrling; population; populationcontrol; protocols; publichealth; publicschools; quarantine; quarantined; ronklain; schools; sierraleone; talkradio; terrorism; thomasfrieden; tolerance; travel; travelban; trojanhorse; usarmy
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2,781 posted on 10/02/2014 7:07:46 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (Mitt Romney is our last chance to save America - VOTE!!!!!)
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To: Smokin' Joe; Shelayne

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/02/ebola-isolation-procedures-close-look/?

Guess who’s back!


2,782 posted on 10/02/2014 7:11:31 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
"TB is a bigger infection threat than Ebola"

Infection threat, yes, but TB is survivable. Ebola, not so much. Nothing like playing with fire in an ammo dump...

2,783 posted on 10/02/2014 8:09:19 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Well, what do you expect from someone whose medical credentials are from some university of the caribbean...

I’d just as soon see an NP from a REAL institution as an MD from university of the caribbean.


2,784 posted on 10/02/2014 8:12:40 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Smokin' Joe
Doctor Boards Atlanta Flight In HazMat Suit To Protest "Lying CDC"
2,785 posted on 10/02/2014 9:14:25 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Texas Ebola Patient's Possible Contacts Now Reach 100
2,786 posted on 10/02/2014 9:15:38 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Canada Health Covers Up Airborne Ebola Facts
2,787 posted on 10/02/2014 9:16:19 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Report: 13,500 US Visas Held by People from Ebola-Stricken Countries
2,788 posted on 10/02/2014 9:17:17 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Ebola outbreak: 'Five infected every hour' in Sierra Leone
2,789 posted on 10/02/2014 9:20:29 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
The Five Quarantined Dallas Children Attended Classes This Week at 4 Different Dallas Schools
2,790 posted on 10/02/2014 9:21:54 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Texas officials say 80 people may have been exposed to Ebola patient -NBC
2,791 posted on 10/02/2014 9:22:42 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe; Thud

Strongsidejedi got the TFmetalsreport to start another Ebola thread.

Pay close attention to the “more than 12 Ebola contacts are too big for local authorities to track/monitor” comment with the thought that there are now more than 100 in Dallas.

See also below for policy suggestions 1-5, none of which have happened.

He has harsh words for the pissinontheroses blog for technical inaccuracy and alarmism,

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/forum/6180/ebola-conus-ebola-3-thread


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@Turd Ferguson - OK I”m in - Here’s your answer Craig
@Craig,

Thanks for putting the site on notice for this thread. Seriously, Craig, this thing has the potential to neutralize a significant portion of our economy in the next 90 days.

Last night, I sent Cris a private email where I raised the concern that MENA radicals could intentionally infect themselves in Sierra Leone, Guinea, or Liberia; board a flight to the US; land in the US; spread the Ebola virus among the civilian population; and then leave the US after spreading the germ for one week; and then watch as our health system copes with a major national disaster.

The national security apparatus of this nation is set up to handle military threat and not biologic.

I have privately warned people in my area about the instability caused by HMO managed care type of medicine. I stand by that concern to this day.

The reason the patient was turned away from the Dallas area hospital on 9-26 needs to be explored in great detail. My guess is that the ER and primary care physicians were following established protocol for any feverish patient. Details need to be stated on his presentation and management on that day. But, they won’t. The reason is that the medical center is on the hook legally.

The situation in Dallas is serious because (a) CDC is not stating conclusive information the index case’s travel history and (b) US FDA has not prepared the nation’s healthcare system with diagnostic test kits to quantify on a regular basis the presence or absence of the virus in a patient.

In the first Ebola thread, SteveW chimed in with significant lab experience. SteveW and I figured out that you can at best run possibly 100 separate samples in an afternoon. We concluded in that thread that the US had to push pack the diagnostic kits to local jurisdictions in August.

As we were continuing to monitor the outbreak and behavior of the virus in Africa, we had interference in that original thread. My view is that the interference was from individuals who are not trained in infectious disease, do not know the epidemiologic protocols to intervene, and only had delusional views to block discussion. I am troubled by these individuals because they stopped our discussion before we could position policy and recommendations to prevent the current situation today.

Had we been able to continue the discussion publicly, it would have been clear to the national journalists who were frequenting the prior thread that the CONUS was at risk.

In the prior thread, Cris and I both concluded that a military option was required to secure travel from Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea to other nations. Initially, I disagreed with Cris’ reaction but he had successfully predicted the behavior of the epidemic in the three nations. I noted that Nigeria had a shot at containment. This is where the 12 case tipping point observation originates.

When Cris is describing a 12 case tipping point, I agree with him. The number of possible infected contacts requiring screening and testing expands exponentially. Once you get beyond the 12 case tipping point, the ability of the local system to track the thousands of exposed people becomes nearly impossible.

Nigeria was able to contain their problem because their health system was not functioning on the day Patrick Sawyer arrived in Lagos. The physicians were on strike due to employment and labor issues in Lagos. This meant that the number of healthcare workers exposed was actually only 1 or 2 people. Unfortunately, those people also died 3 weeks later.

Hypothetically, if there are 10 contacts of the index case, then the ten cases might have another ten contacts who were possibly exposed in the “second generation” of the spread of the communicable disease. Therefore, when you get beyond the second generation to the third; you are talking 1000 contacts who require tracking.

The video that you posted makes ridiculous comments. The person commenting appears to lack medical experience and has no concept of how infectious disease occurs. He shows a chart that is a graph of days from hypothetical exposure to initial symptoms. However, there is seldom a singular event where a patient is exposed. Usually, there are a number of exposures or a gradual exposure over time. The person gets sick because the person’s immune system is unable to fully neutralize the infectious agent.

It is more appropriate to consider a person’s exposure over time and the strength of the person’s immune system in a tug of war. As the exposure builds, the person’s specific immunity would take 1 to 2 weeks to catch up. That is not possible. This is the reason that we immunize children and adults against infectious diseases. They can be healthy and react to the vaccine first. There is little lag in that situation and the person successfully fights off the offending virus or bacteria.

The author in the video suggests that the index case has a 50% chance of contracting the illness on the flight. That is technically flawed. First, it is impossible to know if another case is on the flight even at this time. Such an analysis would require the authorities to release the detailed flight itinerary. They haven’t. Second, if there were another person on the flight who was ill, they would be ill now in the destination city of the person. There has been no outbreak of Ebola of this sort.

Cris raised this issue in the original Ebola thread. I was not yet ready to sign off on the threat. Cris raised the issue of contagion on the plane flights and in the airports. Even with the significantly ill Nigerian index case, there were no confirmed cases from any airline flight or the airport itself. Therefore, the contagion risk in the aircraft cabin is very low.

It is far more likely that the index case became exposed in Liberia, boarded the flight as an asymptomatic person, exited the flight 1 day later with jet lag, never suspected that he was ill until 2 days later when he was getting worse, and then finally got to care four days after arrival.

If a second case is observed in Dallas in the next 72 hours, the President should act via Executive Order to declare a state of emergency nationally

1. Waive CLIA requirements for primary care, urgent care, and ERs nationally.

2. Push Ebola diagnostic kits to the ER, primary care, and urgent care settings nationally.

3. Immediately increase regional staffing at CDC networked testing centers for thousands of the diagnostic kits to be run daily.

4. Waive HIPPA requirements nationally and until the emergency is over such that national and regional news media can report personal information on the individual patients. This is a must-do because the speed of identification of the contacts is a critical element.

5. Set aside funds required for states to react immediately to enhance civilian healthcare systems to comply with pushing diagnostic kits for the seasonal flu. Because initial symptoms of Ebola can match influenza and other viral illnesses, diagnosis of influenza or other communicable disease is now required in a very timely fashion. This can only be done with the rapid diagnostic kits in the clinical setting. Delays in processing by for-profit lab companies will only spread potential contagion to additional carriers and labs.


2,792 posted on 10/02/2014 10:04:02 AM PDT by Dark Wing
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Hi Joe,

There's a video of Duncans brother speaking to reporter....It was disturbing to hear him suggest that his brother did not have Ebola when leaving Liberia, not until the hospital had given him medicine on his first visit when they sent him home with anti-biotics....as if the medicine had infected his brother.

This is ‘the same mindset’ of those in Liberia and other African countries which is keeping people from seeking medical help because they believe the clinics are killing people. So expect that there are going to be people here from these nations who will not go in for help.

Here's the short video of what he stated....it's very disturbing to think these people are blaming the hospital.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2777788/Panicked-parents-pull-kids-school-s-revealed-Ebola-patient-Texas-throwing-place.html

2,793 posted on 10/02/2014 10:42:37 AM PDT by caww
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To: metmom
That 3% acetic acid solution then is just straight white vinegar, correct?

For 10 minutes as well?


Standard white vinegar is from 4 to 5%, but I'm not sure of the treatment times and methods. I will repost the information with the footnote web links. A couple are hard on the eyes.

PATHOGEN SAFETY DATA SHEET - INFECTIOUS SUBSTANCES

SUSCEPTIBILITY TO DISINFECTANTS: Ebolavirus is susceptible to 3% acetic acid, 1% glutaraldehyde, alcohol-based products, and dilutions (1:10-1:100 for ≥10 minutes) of 5.25% household bleach (sodium hypochlorite), and calcium hypochlorite (bleach powder) Footnote 48 Footnote 49 Footnote 50 Footnote 62 Footnote 63. The WHO recommendations for cleaning up spills of blood or body fluids suggest flooding the area with a 1:10 dilutions of 5.25% household bleach for 10 minutes for surfaces that can tolerate stronger bleach solutions (e.g., cement, metal) Footnote 62. For surfaces that may corrode or discolour, they recommend careful cleaning to remove visible stains followed by contact with a 1:100 dilution of 5.25% household bleach for more than 10 minutes.

Footnote 48

Physicochemical inactivation of Lassa, Ebola, and Marburg viruses and effect on clinical laboratory analyses.

Footnote 49

Inactivation of Lassa, Marburg, and Ebola viruses by gamma irradiation.

Footnote 50

Interim Infection Prevention and Control Guidance for Care of Patients with Suspected or Confirmed Filovirus Haemorrhagic Fever in Health-Care Settings, with Focus on Ebola (PDF)

Footnote 62

WHO best practices for injections and related procedures toolkit

Footnote 63

Interim Infection Prevention and Control Guidance for Care of Patients with Suspected or Confirmed Filovirus Haemorrhagic Fever in Health-Care Settings, with Focus on Ebola

I haven't read the links yet. My eyes gave up on "Physicochemical inactivation of Lassa, Ebola, and Marburg viruses and effect on clinical laboratory analyses."
2,794 posted on 10/02/2014 11:06:36 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PghBaldy
Fruit bats are believed to be the main filovirus reservoir species. They are migratory, and one species hangs out in caves. Apparently, they also can harbor the Marburg genus of filovirus which causes disease similar to Ebola.

The bats are believed to contaminate fruit, and the virus is passed on to organisms eating the infected fruit, be they humans, non-human primates, or possibly pigs.

Dogs can catch the virus from eating the carcass of an infected animal, but remain asymptomatic.

The bats and the non-human primates are eaten as "bushmeat" and in the process of butchering or cleaning, an individual can become infected (via any small cut or mucous membrane contact) while butchering the animal or from eating the animal if undercooked.

Once a human has it, things may or may not escalate from there.

2,795 posted on 10/02/2014 11:34:26 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Dark Wing

Thanks for the post. Pulls together some thoughts I had but was unable to connect and articulete.

Unfortunately the present administration will dither and dally until it’s too late.


2,796 posted on 10/02/2014 11:37:02 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Bttt


2,797 posted on 10/02/2014 11:48:39 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Guenevere; Smokin' Joe

Two Patients Quarantined In Kentucky With Ebola-Like Symptoms

http://www.lex18.com/news/two-patients-quarantined-in-kentucky-with-ebola-like-symptoms/


2,798 posted on 10/02/2014 12:13:14 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Smokin' Joe
Patient Zero (Ebola and Immigration)
2,799 posted on 10/02/2014 12:13:29 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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Hajj Pilgrims From Ebola-Stricken Nations Banned In Saudi Arabia Mecca
2,800 posted on 10/02/2014 12:15:30 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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