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Weekly Garden Thread Volume 12 March 21, 2014
Free Republic | March 21, 2014 | greeneyes

Posted on 03/21/2014 12:44:59 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks.

No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


TOPICS: Gardening
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

All the garden plants were started from seed in January.

We do have some house plants that over winter in the beach house.
Maybe they’re the source.

Thanks everyone for good ideas...


41 posted on 03/21/2014 2:53:06 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: greeneyes

It’s 39 degrees here in Massachusetts. We started some tomato seeds on Sunday in peat pots on our kitchen table. We still have snow on the ground, but there are finally some clear areas in the woods, and so we are hopeful.


42 posted on 03/21/2014 2:53:19 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Don@VB

I would imagine that crop rotation would work better than anything. Here’s my notes from Patty Leander, a Master Gardener from Austin, TX. Do a search for her tips. She says:

Don’t plant a particular “family” in the same area for 3 years. Families are:

Amaryllis = onion, leek, garlic, shallot
Composite = artichoke, lettuce
Crucifer = arugula, broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, collars, kale, kohlrai, mustard, radish, turnip
Goosefoot = beets, chard, spinach
Legumes = peas
Umbel = carrots, cilantro, parsley, dill

Eliot Coleman, who wrote Four Season Harvest, has this to say about an optimal 8 year rotation plan:

Potatoes follow sweet corn, which follow cabbage family, which follow peas, which follow tomato, which follow bean, which follow root crops, which follow squash, which follow potatoes.


43 posted on 03/21/2014 2:54:19 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Marcella

I haven’t ever planted fingerlings. However you need to take potatoes out of the sack and let the eyes sprout. Cool temps of 40-50 degrees are desirable.

It will take about 2 or 3 weeks for the potatoes to be ready. If sprouts are visible, then a little light will help speed up the process.


44 posted on 03/21/2014 2:55:34 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

I am hopeful too, but our weather forecast says snow on Thursday next week. Here’s hoping they are wrong - maybe rain instead!LOL


45 posted on 03/21/2014 2:57:19 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Black Agnes

These Fingerlings are small so I’m planting the whole potato. A bright spot would be right where the upper deck meets with the lower deck as that gets bright with a little sun in the morning but the shade from the lower deck roof puts shade over that place fairly quickly.

The are in a heavy duty blue plastic net sack so I’ll spread them out in there and leave them in the net so no killer could get to them. I copied what you said. Thanks.


46 posted on 03/21/2014 2:59:55 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today.))
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To: Don@VB
Don@VB:" Can fertilization and soil supplements be used instead of changing the soil or is it better to just change it out?"

Fertilization with a well-balanced fertilizer (like 10-10-10,along with micro-nutrients)will do wonders.
But don't forget to use crop rotation to prevent diseases from over-wintering, or re-infecting a newly planted crop.
A good source of calcium is "Bone Meal", which should be incoporated into the soil.
If you have 2 raised beds, alternate or change which bed has the high demand crops ; and switch locations in the bed.
Just for example :Hypothetical Crop Rotation ; 4 year plan
1st year : swiss chard , cabbage, kale, kohlrabi (all are high demand calcium)
2nd year : tomatoes , beets ,peas , onions, herbs , flowers peppers,etc.
3rd year: beans (with nitrogen innoculant), corn, squash, cucumbers,carrots , parsnips, lettuce.
4th year: melons , spinach, tomatoes , onions, etc.

If you continue to plant the same crop in the same location, you are inviteing catastrophic disease to hit and wipe out your entire crop.
Its much better to diversify not only crops , but also locations . Keep a homeade chart of what grew where , and then change them arround to different locations.

47 posted on 03/21/2014 3:04:16 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The leaves on one or two of our tomatoes have tiny light dots, like they were burned.

Thrips or Aphids? When you hold a leaf up to a strong light, and look at the leaf underside, do you see any damage? If so, what does it look like?


48 posted on 03/21/2014 3:10:26 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: Don@VB
Don see what bgill (post #43 ) said .
There are many members of the same family that need to be rotated, otherwise you risk crop failure by keeping in the exact same location .

You may see many references to various books on this forum. Make a list of books you may wish to review.
Your public library is your friend for books to borrow !
Two books that I highly reccomend: "Crockets Victory Garden "(maybe out of print), and " Square Foot Gardening".
The internet is a good source of general information, but you will get lots of information right here ! As greeneyes says: " There is no such thing as a stupid question .." , just ask here in this forum , you are among Freeper friends

49 posted on 03/21/2014 3:26:50 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: greeneyes
Ack, couldn't take it anymore so threw out some cucumber seeds just now and hooked up the water hose. Hey, the Farmers’ Almanac said root crops and transplants today but barren days tomorrow. Maybe not roots but the upcoming barren days is my excuse.

While out there, my wild cat came to see what I was up to while things in the neighborhood are quiet. Between us tilling and the neighbors drilling and big tractor trailers driving through for some reason, she's been skiddish. Did I tell y'all she had her kittens? I don't know where she's keeping them but she better think about bringing them closer to the house what with everything going on around here.

50 posted on 03/21/2014 3:40:42 PM PDT by bgill
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To: greeneyes

Too bad! I am so tired of snow, as I am sure almost everyone is this year. This is what we have to look forward to :)

Tonight
27 °F
Clear

Tomorrow
55 °F
Partly Cloudy

Tomorrow Night
29 °F
Clear

Sunday
40 | 14 °F
Partly Cloudy

Monday
31 | 16 °F
Clear

Tuesday
38 | 24 °F
Mostly Cloudy


51 posted on 03/21/2014 3:45:31 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
Kinda like our weather right now. We can commiserate.LOL
52 posted on 03/21/2014 3:48:30 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

You bet. :)


53 posted on 03/21/2014 3:50:35 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: bgill

I just saw our resident wild cat out rooting around the garden. She is coal black, usually has kittens hidden somewhere, and she catches squirrels. Can’t get within 60 feet if her, and don’t really want to.

Whew, just got back in from double digging another bed. Ok down to 12 feet, but that 2cnd foot was really tough. settled for another 8 inches or so. Mixed some leaves and hay in with the bottom and replaced the top soil. Now it’s ready for compost.

So that takes care of the beds for carrots, onions, beets, and potatoes, tommatoes and peppers. Next up is lettuce then corn, and grains. Probably growing cukes and melons in containers this year.


54 posted on 03/21/2014 3:55:22 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Coming to the end of the winter season, which was pretty much a bust. I started seeds early, then waited, and waited, and waited for the temps to cool. There wasn’t a single two week period we didn’t see 80 degrees this “winter”. I got one head of broccoli, and almost got a head of cauliflower only to find it chewed down to nothing when I went to harvest. Now I fear I’ve waited too long to plant my spring crops.

On the bright side, my Roma and Martian tomatoes made it through the winter and are starting to produce. So did a couple green peppers, and a poblano pepper plant is loaded with peppers.

Finally got a hold of some turmeric root, which is taking forever to start. I’m keeping my hopes up, as the ginger root did the same thing but finally took off.

This year, I’m going to learn to prune my tomatoes and peppers back to maximize production over growth. Really, I am. Uh huh.


55 posted on 03/21/2014 3:56:50 PM PDT by Darth Reardon (Is it any wonder I'm not the president?)
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To: greeneyes

When I had a problem with something last year, I took an affected leaf, put it in a ziplok bags and went to the Mrs Henderson at the seed store. She pulled out a book that looked 50 yo, and went to the peppers and started looking at the pictures to ID my problem. Now that is customer service in the old way!


56 posted on 03/21/2014 3:59:14 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Hate is what people that hate the truth call the truth.)
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To: greeneyes

We are in Kansas this weekend helping our daughter with her first garden. Everything is tilled and a few bags of compost and other topsoil added. Already planted a few shallots for her first crop.


57 posted on 03/21/2014 4:01:34 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: greeneyes; All
It's 85° in the Hill Country with no sign of another freeze this year. The Mrs and I went to the nursery yesterday and bought a Shinseiki Pear and two Pomegranate to add to our little orchard. We also bought some pepper plants to replace the ones that died off in the house last month. I spent couple hours today turning the soil in the raised beds and planting the peppers and tomato plants. Everything is now being watered well.
I was "helped" by our two goslings who can't get the idea that they are water birds and should be in the pond. They've been following me around like little puppies all day long.
The rest of the flock is doing well. We haven't had any losses from the new chicks (knock on wood), and the dummy ducks have finally gotten the idea that they are supposed to lay eggs in their duck-house and not hidden someplace on the farm.

We're supposed to get some rain tomorrow or Sunday. I can only hope. We really need the moisture.

58 posted on 03/21/2014 4:01:56 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Two cannibals are eating a clown. One says to the other: "Does this taste funny to you?")
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To: Darth Reardon

You may have to grow your cool crops indoors, and concentrate on summer veggies for outdoors.


59 posted on 03/21/2014 4:10:37 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: rightly_dividing

Wish we had someone like that here.


60 posted on 03/21/2014 4:11:16 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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