They finally caught him? I guess it was just a matter of time.
Posted on 02/04/2014 6:02:49 AM PST by Uncle Chip
A man with a gun. A black teen, shot dead.
Was it murder or self-defense?
Jury selection is scheduled to begin Monday in Florida in the trial of 47-year-old Michael Dunn, a Satellite Beach software developer charged with first-degree murder and attempted murder in the November 2012 shooting of 17-year-old Jordan Davis outside a Jacksonville convenience store.
Authorities say an argument over loud music led to the shooting. Davis was parked in a vehicle with three friends outside the store. Dunn and his fiance had just left a wedding reception and were heading back home when they stopped at the store and pulled up next to the sport utility vehicle that Davis was sitting in.
An argument began after Dunn told them to turn the music down, police said. One of Davis' friends turned the music down, but Davis then told him to turn it back up.
According to authorities, Dunn became enraged and he and Davis began arguing. One person walking out of the convenience store said he heard Dunn say, "You are not going to talk to me like that."
Dunn, who had a concealed weapons permit, pulled a 9 mm handgun from the glove compartment, according to an affidavit, and fired multiple shots into the SUV, striking Davis in the back and groin.
Dunn later told police he felt threatened. His attorney has said Dunn saw a gun and shot in self-defense, perhaps laying the ground work for a case under Florida's "stand your ground" law.
If the case sounds familiar, that's because it has echoes of a trial that received wide attention and happened only two hours away.....
(Excerpt) Read more at baynews9.com ...
They finally caught him? I guess it was just a matter of time.
Who gets to decide what's "good cause"? I carry a gun because I go everywhere with my four-year-old daughter. I am responsible for her protection, and the only way I can be a match for an average-strength man is with a gun. I consider it my God-given responsibility to carry and that it's nobody else's business to tell me I can't.
As, for "Dodge City", that's a myth. "In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year." - Source
The situation you describe was racial and it is speculation-which you admit-that carrying a gun would have stopped the crime.
Remember if EVERYBODY carries then it will not be long before we will have open gun battles on our streets. It is already starting and an example are the two idiots in the article above; these two imbeciles were arguing over loud music, the next pair of "open carry" morons will be arguing over a perceived insult; another pair will be arguing over who caused the accident at the intersection and then they will pull their guns to settle the dispute; Then, we will have two drunks shooting it out in a bar over which team is the better football squad. Why did nineteenth century Americans pass laws regulating "open carry." Can we learn from history?
People today have no common sense all Constitutional "RIGHTS" have limits.
Too bad neither of these clowns remembered that.
"...One of Davis' friends turned the music down, but Davis then told him to turn it back up."
"One person walking out of the convenience store said he heard Dunn say, "You are not going to talk to me like that.""
If Davis had been armed he would have been well within his rights to shoot Dunn when he approached the vehicle in a threatening manner. That's Stand Your Ground, not what Dunn did. If the story is accurate Dunn is going down.
You “Dodged” The issue(no pun intended.) Why did the folks of those days, in the towns mentioned, pass the laws restricting, in their town, the carrying of a gun at will? Not one open carry fanatic(a dangerous being), will ever answer the question. Tell us why the very people who once lived under unrestricted carry rules passed laws restricting carrying? Answer the question if you can.
Once again there is NO unrestricted Constitutional RIGHT. Open carry will prove to be a disaster and a repeat of Dodge City 1876.
You didn't say that or ask that in your original post. You said:
No person should be allowed to carry a gun without a specific reason; i.e. carrying jewels, carrying money to the bank.
You come off to me like just another gun grabber. They always start with "limits" on rights until eventually the rights are taken away. I carry a gun and do not carry jewels or money to the bank. I carry a more precious cargo: my life, and that of my wife.
I wouldn't believe a word of it-- the press are nothing but agents of the Ministry of Propaganda.
We won't know the truth until his attorneys get to make his case.
Criminal gun training consists of what they see on TV, which explains why a lot of innocent bystanders get killed when they shoot.
So, you're resorting to slander (actually, libel, here), in calling all of us who choose to open-carry a "dangerous being". Thugs are dangerous beings. They tend to not open-carry.
To answer your question on why they banned guns in many "old-west" towns? They were like you. They thought everyone with a gun was a dangerous being out looking to kill someone, and they wanted total control over their citizens. Facts be damned. Criminals and governments are the only ones who benefit from gun bans.
Now answer the question: Are you in favor of the "right" to carry firearms into a bar? Do you favor the mixture of guns and liquor? I'll bet the questions are not answered.
This doesn’t sound anything like the GZ case.Loud music isn’t a good reason to shoot anyone.It may be a reason to call the cops...but not to shoot.Assuming that nobody in the car was armed,or if they were that there’s no evidence of any attempt by them to *use* a weapon,then it certainly seems that the guy was way,way,way,*way* out of line in shooting...even if the kid(s) behaved and talked like punks (which may or may not have been the case).What little I know about this case leads me to believe that I’d vote “guilty” in this one...unlike in the GZ case.
a.) go about my business and say nothing, or
b.)leave and not even get out of my car.
Your Dodge City in 1876 comparison belongs in a conversation about the Old West, which is a subject for another discussion.
1.) No.
2.) No.
You lose your bet.
Sorry, read that as an across the board comment.
Any thug that inflicts his anti-social crap music at 120+ decibels on the rest of us ought to be shot. Civility requires there to be some limits and too loud music crosses the line.
“Loud music isn’t a good reason to shoot anyone.It may be a reason to call the cops...but not to shoot.”
The human scum that live behind our house play house-rattling music at any hour that suits them. We have called the police on them three times. As soon as the squad car leaves, the music resumes.
I find it interesting that you see yourself in my comment. It was not directed at either you, nor particularly at the the gent that shot this man. Neither was it an accusation against the victim of the shooting.
You obviously missed the main point of my comment - what you think/feel doesn’t matter much. The facts indicate that your fears about people shooting people just because they have a gun are unfounded. Far less than 1% of concealed carry holders are charged/convicted of a crime committed with their gun. Indeed, the policemen are arrested and convicted at higher rates than those with concealed weapons permits.
I find the fact that you are “all in favor of being able to protect oneself with deadly force” while at the same time stating that people with guns should not be trusted is a bunch of horse pucky. Are you the only one that can be trusted to use a firearm appropriately? Who make you God?
You are NOT a second ammendment supporter, otherwise you would not give the liberals ammunition to suppress your rights.
YOU responded to me. I didn’t pick those words out of the air. You’re nuts
Crime rates are down; not up.
Please tell me how many of the examples of which you speak have happened, how many people are now legally carrying firearms, and how you determined that there is a statistically significant problem with exercising the Second Amendment.
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