Posted on 08/27/2013 10:44:47 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
Partial Transcript of the Mark Levin Show aired live on Monday, August 19, 2013
[start at 0:26 of the podcast recording]
Hello everybody, Mark Levin here, our number 877-381-3811, 877-381-3811.
Mark Levin: Before we jump in, all I can say is, Wow! You guys, open your microphones a second. Thousands of people at both booksignings. Wasn’t that unbelievable?
Staffer: There were a lot of people there, it was great.
Mark Levin: And the people were just spectacular, weren’t they? Except for one guy in New Jersey which I’ll talk about later.
Staffer: [chuckles]
Mark Levin: This… this birther stuff is way, way out of contr…”Now Ted Cruz” … I swear I almost hit this guy… “Ted Cruz is not a citizen!” No, he’s born to an American mother, no he’s born in Canada to an American mother. So all you pregnant ladies travelling overseas: According to certain birther, uh, groups, if you have a child while you are on vacation, they’re not Americans. They’re not natural-born Americans. I just thought you’d wanna know, if you were thinking of your kid as a potential presidential candidate, uh, because they say so. They have no historical background whatsoever… None! But it’s, it’s just amazing! Absolutely stunning! But we had so many wonderful people, and let me add, all races, both genders… I don’t know the sexual preferences, that wasn’t a requirement to say hello…young people, elderly, middle age people. A particularly young crowd, yeah, we had dogs come too, everybody so well behaved, and uh, it was a pleasure. In New York, we were there about four-and-a-half hours, in New Jersey about five, five-and-a-half hours, and I wanted to be respectful to everybody, so… I just want to thank you all, and this Saturday, Tyson’s Corner, Virginia, at Barnes and Noble. I should add, if you want to see the crowd that was at New York, Mr. Producer went down the line, and this was early on, this, this line kept growing and growing throughout the day…you can go look at uh MarkLevinShow.com on our website, as well as the social sites MarkLevinShow Facebook, MarkLevinShow Twitter. Um, Christians, Coptic Christians are being wiped out in Egypt. Their churches are being burned to the ground….
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Mark Levin: Alright, lets go to uh, Steve in New York, the great WABC, go!
Steve: Great one, it’s great to talk to you, what an honor.
Mark Levin: My honor, thank you, my friend.
Steve: Oh, I got a great story for you, I loved your uh, Hannity special, I enjoyed it very much, I listened to it three times over the weekend…
Mark Levin: Oh, thank you.
Steve: …I got my wife, I got my wife to tape for me, or TIVO it, and she watched it. And she really enjoyed it. She’s not big on politics or anything, and she gets sick of hearing me talk about it, but it was funny ‘cause she said “He is so calm, Steve.” He was, she was trying to do a little wifey/husband training? And…
Mark Levin: Uh huh.
Steve: she said “He is so calm, and he gets his point across. He didn’t raise his voice, or get upset…
Mark Levin: [chuckles]
Steve: …or anything!”
Mark Levin: [breaks out into laughter]
Steve: …and I laughed so hard. I said “How do you, uh, where do you think I learned how to yell?” [laughs] “I just listen to Mark.” And she knows you’re my hero, I go around quotin’ ya, and tellin’ everybody to listen to ya, and…
Mark Levin: Well, that’s great.
Steve: she just … to get me to calm down a little, and I said you just need to listen to Mark. [laughs]
Mark Levin: Well, thank you, uh…well listen, you know what, this is called passion, just remind her it’s passion, you know, and um…what was truly exceptional about the Hannity program, number one, the man has enormous class and decency, and number two, he was asking me questions because he wanted me to inform the public about what I’d written, and to engage the studio audience. And notice we didn’t have a bunch of left-wing bomb throwers just yelling and talking over people. There were conversations actually occurring, did you notice that?
Steve: Yes, there was no crazy, I mean a lot of times he’s got the left wingers on there, and it’s just, kind, it’s almost funny to watch, but that was so interesting and…and it didn’t get me upset, and it just, I just wanted to listen to it over and over and absorb every second of it, and every bit of information, it…it’s just brilliant, Mark, I, you know I hope when um…we’ve got President Cruz, he has the wisdom to make you his chief of staff or vice-president.
Mark Levin: No, no no no no no. And he’s got a great chief of staff, by the way. No, I…I do what I do, and uh, and he will do a great job should he be president. Thank you for your call my friend. And uh, I’m so sick of these birthers. I was going to tell you about this, uh, incident. Just a wonderful group of people, uh, we were in Bookends, Ridgewood, New Jersey, and everyone was respectful until…and it was hot outside, it got hot, hotter than uh originally forecast and it was a very long line, and you know we try to go through it quickly out of respect for everybody in line, but I also try to be respectful to everybody in line. Um…but this fella [breathes out] gets in my face and first of all he points to some obscure note on page I don’t know whatever and he said [cough] excuse me folks, and he says “You were wrong about this, you were wrong about”, and honestly I, I, I didn’t have time to read it, and I’ll go back and check it, if I’m wrong about it I’ll fix it, and that happens sometimes in these books when you’re going into the notes, you might put a word when you mean another word, or a state when you mean another state, so I’m going to check it out, I just haven’t had time. And then he goes, he says uh “And Ted Cruz is not eligible to be president. He’s not a natural-born Citizen.” And I thought to myself, you know I, this is not a subject that I have studied so thoroughly, but he’s born of a mother who is an American citizen. Doesn’t that make him a natural-born Ci… “No, but he was in Canada when he was born!” Okay, but she wasn’t Canadian, she was an American citizen! She was an American citizen. And so, the issue isn’t what the Constitution says in that regard, the issue is how do we interpret that. And the way I interpret it is, his mother’s an American citizen, so he’s an American citizen! That’s not a constitutional issue, that’s an interpretive issue… or, a statutory issue if Congress has passed some law subsequent to that to enforce that provision of the Constitution. So, the face of the Constitution isn’t terribly helpful. If he was born of non-citizens in a foreign country that would be easy, and there’s a lot of easy cases. So the guy gets in my face, and he starts pointing and pointing, and I looked at him and I pointed back, and I cursed, unfortunately, but the, because, uh you know, he was…he was a nutjob. And I thought to myself: Why do you come here and do that? Is this, is this sort of the way you…you excite yourself or something? No. So, I just want you folks to know who like Ted Cruz. I…I assume they’re going to do this to Rubio, or some of these other people too, whether you like ‘em or not for president I’m just making a point, but now this has become an entire industry. And of course [chuckles] Ted Cruz [laughs], he immediately issued today or yesterday his long form birth certificate. Now, some of this is probably coming from the left. So now they’re the birthers. But some of it’s coming from others, too. People just get obsessed, or conspiratorial, and there’s no end to it, on a matter like this, and there’s nothing I can say or point to that’s going to change their mind. But in my view there’s no doubt about it that he’s eligible for president, should he choose to run, just as I believe McCain was eligible for president, when he ran. So…that’s my opinion! You may not like it… But what particularly bothered me about this guy…he was disrespectful in his conduct to everybody else standing there. They were pleasant, talking to each other, you know…listening, watching and so forth. I’m a big boy; I’ve seen this and a thousand times worse. But he was quite obnoxious. He’s the only one…oh no there was another guy, had a prob, wha wha, he what…he had a problem, he was screaming upstairs, I don’t know what he was screamin’ about. It was kind of eventful there in New Jersey. No, there wasn’t anything like that in New York, was there boys? [Staff: No. Peaceful in ji…you know in Long Island] It was peaceful on Long Island! [chuckles] But is was peaceful in New Jersey, too. It really, really was. It was just terrific. If you could have seen that line, well, actually you can. We have the uh video, and this is just the start of the day with the line. It got longer and longer at uh… at Book Review in Long Island if you want to take a look on MarkLevinShow.com or MarkLevi…oh there is now? The…the New Jersey line? Okay. Both lines. On MarkLevinShow.com, are they both on the social sites too? Or…just the Long Island. But we’ll put the other one up later so some of you can see yourselves, too. Alright. GoldLine!
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(further information and videos at: http://queenofliberty.com/2013/08/14/mark-levin-rolls-out-his-new-book/)
And citizenship is citizenship.
To quote Hillary, "What difference does it make?" Canadian is just as good as American.
Given Levin's reasoning they could be president after living in the U.S. the required number of years.
I will likely lose this argument but Natural Born Citizen means no allegiance to another country. That means American parentS, born in this country, and no other country's citizenship, or eligibility for of other country's citizenship due to the parent's status, any kind.
I like that. Good for you! ;-)
The should read:
Vietnam kids fathered **by** American soldiers.
( I wish they would get an edit feature for Free Republic posts.)
But there is the problem with your theory. We are not ignoramuses. We likely know more about this topic than do most constitutional scholars and the evidence we have uncovered keeps contradicting the arguments that our "betters" make.
Most of these modern day people keep citing this or that court, all of which simply bow to a precedent they insist on interpreting in an overly broad manner. Looking at what the founders and the Delegates wrote, you come away with a very different understanding that that derived from Wong Kim Ark.
If it did, then they wouldn't have used the words "Shall be Considered AS", they would have said "Are."
"Shall be considered as" means "similar" it does not mean "same."
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
I read this as the President must be natural born OR a Citizen of the U.S. Not *AND*. I also don't see anywhere where it says that the person who is a Citizen at time of adoption of the Constitution can't also be a Citizen 200 years later and therefore eligible.
Therefore "natural born" is not exclusive of being a Citizen, which Ted Cruz certainly is. Therefore Ted Cruz is eligible. NOT an issue.
That is all.
I got a chuckle out of that.
Now, why would a bunch of very loyal, patriotic subjects have developed an interest in a narrow, precise definition for treason?
Why was Clinton interested in a narrow, precise definition of sex? ;-)
In the modern world, nearly two millennia after the fall of the Roman Empire, mothers can instill love of country as readily as fathers.
No judge or member of Congress is going to try to equate Ted Cruz’ first 4 years of life in Canada against his 38 years of life in the U.S. with a mother from Delaware.
And as we know from the cesspool of daytime talk television’s obsession with paternity tests, the persons named as fathers are sometimes NOT the true father; Barack Obama Senior, Frank Marshall Davis or Malcolm X anybody? Stanley Ann Dunham was born in Wichita, Kansas, Barack Obama Senior born in Kogelo, Kenya, Frank Marshall Davis was born in Arkansas City, Kansas and Malcolm (ne’e) Little born was in Omaha, Nebraska.
In today’s brave new world, we also have tens of thousands of children (estimates are between 20,000 and 60,000 per year) conceived by artificial insemination where the identity of the male sperm donor is unknown.
That's about the summary of dealing with birthers. I couldn't have said it better myself.
Jeff, you inspire cursing because of your lying. You also have a bad habit of constantly repeating your lying.
Cursing at you is the only rational response.
They placed that part in there so that we wouldn’t have to wait 35 years for someone to become eligible. Man.....
Of course, that will be debated too. Legislature or Courts? We can be certain that it WON'T be by amateur Constitutional 'scholars' opining on it here. IMHO, SCOTUS will make it official that the current acting interpretation in the 'modern political environment' of "natural born citizen" = "born citizen" (i.e. child of an American citizen, including a mother named Eleanor).
would you accept the decision like it or not ???
Yes, I would. What will be will be.
I notice you never offer anything of substance in your posts. Are you a Sarah Palin supporter like myself?
Read all 12 years worth, have you?
Are you a Sarah Palin supporter like myself?
Support her for what? Like sending her money?
I think the Founders believed that expressed allegiance to the USA was a matter of both father and mother having that dedication. A child into adulthood can have characteristics tuned to either father or mother. To choose one or the other parent as determinant was quashed by acknowledging that allegiance to the USA was required of both parents and this was to be such at birth of the child for the child to be ‘natural born’. The Constitution recognizes explicitly ‘citizen’ and ‘natural born citizen’.
“There are plenty of people who have used reason and logic against the anti-Cruz birthers here.”
I’m rejecting your assertion that anyone questioning Cruz’s eligibility is anti-Cruz. We’re not anti-Cruz, we’re anti-destruction of the Constitution.
Refuting some of your points from post #105 that you keep asking someone to do:
“1. There is no law, no precedent, case, no definition of this issue as put forth by the birthers anywhere in any court case or law. None. Zilch, zero, nada.”
To name 3, refer to
The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)
“2. Cruz was given a US birth certificate immediately, he was not naturalized, his parents did not have to go through any unusual manner to get his citizenship, it was automatic”
Cruz’s parents had to file for a Canadian birth certificate that they then had to take to the American Embassy (or consulate) to register the birth. 2-steps. Natural born citizens only have 1 step - the birth certificate. (Do you know for a fact they didn’t do the same thing in the Cuban Embassy to give him Cuban citizenship?) If Congress hadn’t passed a law, Cruz wouldn’t even be a citizen. If he was a “natural born” citizen - if both his parents were US citizens and he was born in the US - he wouldn’t need a law to be a citizen.
“3. The original intent of the issue was not to have a President with divided loyalties. Cruz has no divided loyalties toward the US founding, most of his opponents do.”
Regardless whether you want to believe it or not, Cruz has at least 3 loyalties in law - Canada, Cuba and US. I’m interested to know how you know what’s in his head or his heart. If you’re just using what he says, you must not ever have been lied to before by a Politician. I’m not saying he is or he isn’t, I’m saying you don’t know.
“4. There is a big divide in thought on the matter, some good arguments from both sides in the conservative arena, but there is no clear winner, because there is no clear court precedent. Why take someone out as good as Cruz over a difference of opinion on this niggling point?”
It’s not a niggling point, it’s a constitutional qualification. No one is trying to take Cruz “out”. We want this issue resolved because how it’s resolved will reflect back on Obama. Obama is EXACTLY what the Founders were trying to avoid.
“5. Even if the birthers were right (debatable), for us to take out one of ours on a point that they ignored for two elections would be political suicide and make us the stupidest part of the stupid party.”
Who ignored what? Obama’s eligibility has been debated and a resolution sought through the court system since 2008. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. It can’t be right because he’s “our guy”.
That is probably a bit of emotion gone overboard, but it is inconsequential. Current law accepts the citizenship of one parent, whether the father or the mother.
To be honest, though, descent through the mother is actually easier to prove. Questions about the real mother are a lot easier to answer than questions about the real father.
Maternity tests are far less common than paternity tests.
And this is exactly my position. I wish to add that I want the technicality strictly enforced in the case of Obama, and I want it ignored in the case of Cruz.
Obama is foreign in Spirit, and the intent of the SPIRIT of the law was to keep out such foreign spirits as Obama.
Ted Cruz does not violate the spirit of the law.
The Modern courts are not bound by law. Are we debating what courts will do, or are we debating what is actually correct?
We conservatives generally have no faith in Courts. We've been lied to so many times that the norm is to have very little respect for what the Judicial system has become.
Do you respect the court opinion of Roe v Wade?
“Well, I’ve used the term birther, but not in a pejorative sense. It’s just a descriptive term. “
Really? The term Birther was to link people who thought Obama was born outside the country to 911 Truthers. Morons. Idiots. Insane. ...
We know exactly what people who use the term “Birther” are trying to do, and you’re using it as a pejorative to minimize the impact of what those who disagree with you say.
“Most people that I know intuitively believe that someone who is born a citizen of the U.S. is a natural born citizen...”
So this is the new criteria for interpreting the Constitution?
“Maybe you could elaborate on your fears. Why do you feel that Cruz is less eligible than Obama?”
Ineligible is ineligible. Is there a lesser or greater degree of ineligibility that works for you? However, if ultimately judged that natural born citizen requires you to be born on US soil, 0bama (if you believe his story and the “documents” he’s presented) would be eligible (heaven forbid) and Cruz not.
“How might a Cruz candidacy be derailed by the fact that there are a few folks who adhere to these old European citizenship theories?”
So, what criteria are we using to interpret the Constitution today? Different than yesterday? Different than last year? Different than the original intent? What about the next Canadian-Cuban-American or Kenyan-American that runs for President? Will his motivies be pure?
“Are you afraid that some court might attempt to disqualify Cruz?”
What if the Supreme Court STOPS evading the issue after Cruz is elected?
“Specifically, what are you worried about?”
I’m worried that the Constitution means absolutely nothing anymore to anyone and it’s only a matter of time until the shooting starts. My first grandchild was born on July 4th and I fear for his future.
Thank you for the opportunity to express my fears. Can I get up off the couch now?
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