Posted on 08/27/2013 10:44:47 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate. The original intent of the “natural born” requirement for presidents was so that they would not have divided allegiances.
Cruz was born a dual citizen of the US and Canada. According to the original intent of the framers, he is disqualified.
Welcome to FR! Food for the nativist trolls around here?
May the good Lord help and protect me for my rash disregard of all prudence and circumspection...and possibly of any vestige of sanity too, in daring to enter, even for just a quick moment, this contentious issue here again. I just bowed out of another FR discussion about it because I definitely didn’t, and don’t, have the time to pursue it.
But alas...one quick comment....Psalm 23... Psalm 23....
as Mr. Levin said,
“And I thought to myself, you know I, this is not a subject that I have studied so thoroughly, but he’s born of a mother who is an American citizen. Doesn’t that make him a natural-born Ci… “No, but he was in Canada when he was born!” Okay, but she wasn’t Canadian, she was an American citizen! She was an American citizen. And so, the issue isn’t what the Constitution says in that regard, the issue is how do we interpret that. And the way I interpret it is, his mother’s an American citizen, so he’s an American citizen!”
We agree. Mr. Levin has patently not studied this issue.
We agree, Senator Cruz is an American citizen.
But that is not the issue, Mr. Levin.
The issue is whether he can possibly qualify as a Natural Born Citizen. As they say, that’s a Horse of A Different Color.
OK, I’m so far out of this thread now that even Beep Beep the RoadRunner can’t catch my dust.
Bye........
:-)
What a lack of logic you have. What divided loyalties does Ted Cruz have? Tell me.
Let’s suppose this is a different scenario that has zero connection to Obama: Which I suspect is partly the reason for the birther crap on Cruz (gotta be consistent right?). I’ll make up an example for you to follow. A French baby is born while the mom is in America. She’s a wife whose husband has a job in our country. Soon they go home. Because our law (like Canada’s) confers citizenship automatically on the child, this baby is a dual citizen. The kid lives in France the vast majority of his life and becomes active in French politics. Assume said person has zero record of indicating any allegiance to America. Should his loyalty to France be suspect?
Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate. The original intent of the “natural born” requirement for presidents was so that they would not have divided allegiances.
Cruz was born a dual citizen of the US and Canada. According to the original intent of the framers, he is disqualified.
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Nobody here as far as I know has said Ted cruz is not an American citizen..
although he was born in another country, his mother was an American citizen, and at least 19 years old...
Ted Cruz was born an American citizen...
the question is “Is he eligible to be president of the United States since he is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”...
besides being born in another country his father was not an American citzen at the time of his birth...
If Obama who was born in the US but also without an American citizen father could be said to be ineligible even if he had been born in the Lincoln bedroom, how does Ted Cruz who was born in another country get a pass ???
This has not been acceptably explained in these threads...
Either there is no case for Obama to be ineligible..
or Ted Cruz is also ineligible...
We cant have it both ways...
Even McCain with his overseas birth to TWO American citizen parents and his father stationed overseas in the US military had to prove his eligibility through the Senate to be POTUS...
and Ted Cruz did nopt have both parents as American citizens with a father in the US military sent there by our government..
When I was in the US military and arrived at a US base overseas I was told to go back to the US for any births of children so they would be eligible to be POTUS...
this was 1975...5 years after Ted Cruz was born...
I knew that my son born the year before in the US was not eigible to be POTUS...
I was not an American citizen at the time and was not naturalized as an American citizen until he was 8 months old..
you can argue until you are blue in the face but that was the law when my son was born in 1974...
So if Obama is not eligible, neither is Ted Cruz...
these laws are not a smoresborg...
they are the same for everyone...
Signs up today, posts one article and then doesn’t answer any of the posts. Looks like zotbait to me.
http://birthers.org/USC/Vattel.html
Everyone should read this and absorb it. It’s really quite simple.
what does it say ???
"It is not necessary that a man should be born in this country, to be 'a natural born citizen.' It is only requisite that he should be a citizen by birth, and that is the case with all the children of citizens who have ever resided in this country, though born in a foreign country." ... James Bayard, A Brief Exposition of the Constitution of the United States (1833)
The Cliff Notes version very clearly indicates that a “natural born citizen” is one born in a country whose parents are both citizens of that country. No chance whatsoever of foreign allegiance or sympathy AT ALL.
That last sentence was the defining intent of the term.
As a disclaimer, I do absolutely LOVE Ted Cruz and think him an amazing Senator.
But, we gotta be consistent.
Yes - The baby is a dual citizen. France is free to deal with that split allegiance as France pleases.
In the US we impose a very limited restriction on citizens that may have divided loyalty - They just can’t be President.
Have a nice day.
While he doesn't display, or act on divided loyalites...he most certainly owes allegiance to Cananda [1][2].
Show me in the US Constitution where your opinion/position/knowledge is codified that it takes 2 parents that are US Citizens for a newborn to be “Natural Born”.
Lacking that, please provide the relevant US Law(s) passed by Congress and signed by a US President that codifies your understanding/opinion/knowledge that it takes 2 parents that are US Citizens for a newborn to be “Natural Born”.
Lacking that, please point us to the relevant US Supreme Court decision/ruling that proves that it takes 2 parents that are US Citizens for a newborn to be “Natural Born”.
All three questions could be asked in reverse as well. That’s why this is such an important discussion.
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