Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate. The original intent of the “natural born” requirement for presidents was so that they would not have divided allegiances.
Cruz was born a dual citizen of the US and Canada. According to the original intent of the framers, he is disqualified.
Welcome to FR! Food for the nativist trolls around here?
May the good Lord help and protect me for my rash disregard of all prudence and circumspection...and possibly of any vestige of sanity too, in daring to enter, even for just a quick moment, this contentious issue here again. I just bowed out of another FR discussion about it because I definitely didn’t, and don’t, have the time to pursue it.
But alas...one quick comment....Psalm 23... Psalm 23....
as Mr. Levin said,
“And I thought to myself, you know I, this is not a subject that I have studied so thoroughly, but he’s born of a mother who is an American citizen. Doesn’t that make him a natural-born Ci… “No, but he was in Canada when he was born!” Okay, but she wasn’t Canadian, she was an American citizen! She was an American citizen. And so, the issue isn’t what the Constitution says in that regard, the issue is how do we interpret that. And the way I interpret it is, his mother’s an American citizen, so he’s an American citizen!”
We agree. Mr. Levin has patently not studied this issue.
We agree, Senator Cruz is an American citizen.
But that is not the issue, Mr. Levin.
The issue is whether he can possibly qualify as a Natural Born Citizen. As they say, that’s a Horse of A Different Color.
OK, I’m so far out of this thread now that even Beep Beep the RoadRunner can’t catch my dust.
Bye........
Nobody here as far as I know has said Ted cruz is not an American citizen..
although he was born in another country, his mother was an American citizen, and at least 19 years old...
Ted Cruz was born an American citizen...
the question is “Is he eligible to be president of the United States since he is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”...
besides being born in another country his father was not an American citzen at the time of his birth...
If Obama who was born in the US but also without an American citizen father could be said to be ineligible even if he had been born in the Lincoln bedroom, how does Ted Cruz who was born in another country get a pass ???
This has not been acceptably explained in these threads...
Either there is no case for Obama to be ineligible..
or Ted Cruz is also ineligible...
We cant have it both ways...
Even McCain with his overseas birth to TWO American citizen parents and his father stationed overseas in the US military had to prove his eligibility through the Senate to be POTUS...
and Ted Cruz did nopt have both parents as American citizens with a father in the US military sent there by our government..
When I was in the US military and arrived at a US base overseas I was told to go back to the US for any births of children so they would be eligible to be POTUS...
this was 1975...5 years after Ted Cruz was born...
I knew that my son born the year before in the US was not eigible to be POTUS...
I was not an American citizen at the time and was not naturalized as an American citizen until he was 8 months old..
you can argue until you are blue in the face but that was the law when my son was born in 1974...
So if Obama is not eligible, neither is Ted Cruz...
these laws are not a smoresborg...
they are the same for everyone...
Signs up today, posts one article and then doesn’t answer any of the posts. Looks like zotbait to me.
I will continue to propose that ANYONE who uses this forum to propagate the stupid idea that Ted Cruz is not a Natural Born Citizen according to the constitution be banned from this forum.
There is no truer Natural Born American than Ted Cruz in the Government today. Anyone using this forum as a means of tearing down this man or insulting the rest of the forum with stupid vapid arguments about whether or not Ted Cruz is “eligible” should be treated as a DU or MSM plant and be shown the door.
There is always a point at which one must draw a line in the sand. This is that point.
Yes, now the anti-Cruz leftists can take the birther baton from the anti-Obama birthers and continue with the race. The transition should be smooth because a lot of historical research has already been completed and neatly organized for this new crop of birthers.
In the end, the voters and their electors will once again decide the issue and Cruz will "lose" only those voters he could never have gotten anyway.
Two issues here: where you are born and to whom; and the issue of loyalty vs citizenship.
Let’s address the latter first, because that really hangs people up. Citizenship can be conferred automatically. We must never interpret the constitution to mean that no one with a dual citizenship is eligible. Tomorrow Jamaica could make a candidate a citizen and poof, his candidacy is over. Dual citizenship is thus meaningless as a disqualifier.
Hopefully it would be difficult in these technological times to hide that a candidate spent 5-10 years outside our country, voting, involved in his host country’s government. Even as an American citizen, one hopes that his loyalty would be questioned and he would not be chosen as a serious candidate. That would be an example of divided loyalty. Yes, president Obama is borderline on that account, and much of his past has been obscured.
Back to the first point: where you are born and to whom. In 1961, and possibly today (?), the law of the land was that an American woman giving birth outside the country had to have lived 5 years after the age of 15 in the USA to be able to confer her citizenship onto her baby. This is what birthers are all about.
We have never seen an actual, non-forged proof that Barack Obama was born in the USA.
When she was a 17 year old girl “in trouble,” in 1961 with a baby of a different race, she could easily have gone where her Seattle school chums in such positions went. They popped over the border into Canada to the unwed mother homes run by either the Salvation Army or the Catholic Church. Usually they gave the babies up for adoption. She was not old enough to confer citizenship.
She may have changed her mind about giving up her mixed race baby, because within a month of his birth, she was alone with a little baby she didn’t know how to care for, enrolled in the university in Seattle. (She was never seen pregnant in Hawaii. She never ever lived with Barack Obama Senior.).
These are the two different questions raised by foreign birth or loyalty.
Ted Cruz was born outside the country to a woman eligible to confer citizenship. As was John McCain. No one knows where Barack Obama was born, and that is all birthers want to know.
Freerepublis Thread about “Concern Trolls”;
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2594943/posts
So what does Levin think about obama’s eligibility?
So what’s your opinion of the issue? We haven’t heard back from you.
Levin flunks Constitution 101 by misinterpreting Natural Born....our Founding Fathers put that in there so we would not have foreigners ruling the US....like the foreigners ruling Great Britain at the time...King George III was German
Levin was also Obama Supporter on the Eligibility issue....and GOP refusing to make Obama Eligibility a main issue actively aided Obama in 2008 and 2012
As for Cruz....I have no problem supporting him. Unlike Obama...Cruz never hid his foreign birth...never
But....mark my words: The biggest Obama Supporters on the Obama Eligibility issue will be the same ones attacking Cruz on his eligibility....and that includes Levin. I do not trust anyone who is Obama Supporter on the Eligibility issue
Ted Cruz for Governor of Texas sounds better.
Levin suddenly wants to talk eligibility issues? Where were you in 2008 for Zero and McCain and Calero? Well concerning Zero, he along with the rest of the media talking heads were threatened from the Chicago liberal facists to protect their puppet. People have called his station on the natural born citizenship issue and were faded out not given air time. Coward. Constitutional bar doesn’t agree with you either on a foreign born person being natural born citizen Levin.
Read that Cruz is getting rid of his Canadian citizenship. That will help him.
That's about the summary of dealing with birthers. I couldn't have said it better myself.
here is the ongoing birther-biz
who dropped out of ME-2?
Sox vs. Sox tonite in Boston.
The Constitution states that you must be a “natural born citizen”. There are two paths to citizenship, one is natural, ie by birth, and the other is to be naturalized. If Cruz is a citizen and he has not been naturalized then he is a natural born citizen. There is no in between. Natural or naturalized citizens are the only two choices.