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Day 22 (Week #5) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | July 10, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 07/10/2013 5:15:07 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, July 10th, is DAY #22 (of 5th week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case.

Yesterday began with a boom as defense expert witness, world renowned Dr Vincent Di Maio took to the stand to validate the forensic evidence supporting George Zimmerman’s version of the encounter with Trayvon Martin. However, the day ended with an even bigger THUNDERCLAP in an epic 10pm showdown as Don West took on both the State prosecutors and trial Judge Nelson after the jury was released. Ending with Judge Nelson, turning her back and walking out of court. Unreal. A great analysis of the events from yesterday is available HERE.

The late night argument, not by the State, but by Judge Nelson herself, regarding phone evidence authentication, is so weak and insufferably devoid of legal analysis it is absurd on its face. Then again, this is the same judge who said a few days ago, flippantly in open court, that evidence should be “shredded” (Dr. Bao notes) after use. D’oh

Essentially Nelson argued that the phone records (texts and pics from Trayvon) cannot be authenticated to have originated by the specific personage of Trayvon Martin (despite two security codes) because anyone could have sent them. Whiskey*Tango*Foxtrot !!

How can an email be used in a sex offender case? How can phone records be used in RICO cases? How can GPS evidence be used in Insurance Cases? How are photographs taken by perps used against them? Think about it.

You can’t argue that evidence cannot be admitted because someone else might have made the actual phone call; Someone else might have physically sent the email; Someone else actually accessed the website; Someone else might have been the driver of the car; Or, someone else could possibly have been behind the viewing lens of the camera etc.

No, that argument does not mean you can arbitrarily exclude evidence. And this was the basis for her argument (watch the video).

Sure, that’s an argument which can be presented to the jury by the other side, as a counter point to create doubt with the jury, but it can’t be a reasonable consideration for total evidence exclusion. Then again, this is Judge Nelson – who in multiple prior cases has a high historical propensity of being overruled by the 5th District Court of Appeals.

It should be noted the NAACP Annual National Convention starts in Orlando on Friday; Additionally, preparations are being made in/around Miami-Dade for a Wednesday defense wrapped up with a community/LEO preparation meeting yesterday.


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KEYWORDS: george; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: BlueDragon; Marcella

>> may be a wealthy and privileged, but ‘he down with the thug life.

You’re talking about A. W. and not me... right?

‘cause I can assure you, “wealthy and privileged” don’t apply here...

The thug thing, I think I’m OK there too, but we might want to get some other opinions.


2,221 posted on 07/10/2013 4:01:22 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: don-o; Nervous Tick
uh... didn’t you say you had some lawn to mow, Mr. Thread Proctor?

Proctologist. I knew there was a useful function of some sort for him.

;-)

2,222 posted on 07/10/2013 4:02:46 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's Enemies List - Yes, you are a crook.)
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To: Nervous Tick
As an attorney myself, a lot of the Crim law attorneys his age are old school "conservative democrats" (pro-life, pro-gun, distrustful of big business) because they think they are helping the little guy. Keep in mind that most Republicans were considered both "law and order" and "big business" for years and years. I came of age more in the Clinton era instead of the Nixon era, so I have a different views of the dems.

I have no idea what O'Mara's politics are (nor care), but it would not surprise me, especially if he's Irish Catholic which I expect with that last name, that he's one of those old school types of democrats.

Would I vote for O'Mara? Maybe for trial judge. Would I hire O'Mara if I got dinged in Florida? Absolutely.

2,223 posted on 07/10/2013 4:04:05 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: hoosiermama

>> Mine just stand in the corner waiting for me to jump in to them. ;-)

I whistle for mine when it’s time to put ‘em on, and they come on over. ;-)


2,224 posted on 07/10/2013 4:04:24 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: viaveritasvita
"I’m heartsick over the whole thing for so many reasons"

Same here........

2,225 posted on 07/10/2013 4:05:39 PM PDT by hummingbird (So many conspiracies. Not enough time.)
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To: Spunky
Speaking of the jury. I saw a reporter on Hannity last night saying that hat Hispanic juror keep shaking her head in agreement with the defense makes good points. That is encouraging. Hey I'm wondering and yes I am stereo typing. Since she is Hispanic and has a ton of kids she is probably Catholic. I think she connected with George when he had that connection with the Female police officer.
2,226 posted on 07/10/2013 4:06:27 PM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Soon everything in America will be "free", except it's people.)
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To: denydenydeny

lol. And i didn’t even get into real-time monitoring possibilities. :-/


2,227 posted on 07/10/2013 4:06:52 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: VeniVidiVici
Proctologist. I knew there was a useful function of some sort for him. ;-)

Well. Someone has to tend to the A Holes. A dirty job, but....

Thankyewverymuch

2,228 posted on 07/10/2013 4:08:42 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: tioga
"The family of the victim are excluded from this rule.

Isn't a corollary of what this trial is about is to resolve the question "who is the victim?"

If Trayvon attacked GZ, Trayvon is not "the victim." The Court does not know, at this point, who "the victim" is.

2,229 posted on 07/10/2013 4:09:14 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Made my prior post from my phone. Ugh. Replete with errors. Hope everybody got my point.....


2,230 posted on 07/10/2013 4:09:23 PM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Soon everything in America will be "free", except it's people.)
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To: Nervous Tick

a male with a birth defect (born with no visible butt)

I don’t need a picture - I know exactly what you look like - my husband had the same “birth defect” and that’s what he called it - he had no visible butt. When he was a Marine and in shape, he had an incredible body form - broad shoulders, strong arms, strong chest, and the shape dropping down from there due to small butt.

Do you have trouble with a belt holding you pants up? He wore suspenders due to the small waist/butt.


2,231 posted on 07/10/2013 4:09:37 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Nervous Tick
AW has lots of pics. Said recently there could be more "out there".

I didn't consider you at all. Please feel free to "feel" lonely and ignored. <8^)

If there are pics of yourself, do not send.

2,232 posted on 07/10/2013 4:11:08 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: don-o
"For about the millionth time - the presence of the victim's mother and father is allowed under Fla law. This was argued before opening statements. "

If the court already knows that Trayvon rather than GZ was the victim....why are we having a trial?

Maybe you meant to say "any dead person's parents are allowed...?"

2,233 posted on 07/10/2013 4:13:36 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: Darren McCarty

>> old school “conservative democrats” (pro-life, pro-gun, distrustful of big business)... helping the little guy

e.g. populist.

It’s sobering to consider that essentially the entire Florida prosecution machine we’re witnessing — from Bondi on down — are nominally law-and-order “republicans”.

One of the reasons this trial has gotten so far under my skin is because I am seeing how EASILY a “law and order” prosecutorial machine can be subverted to serve political purposes. That is, when “Law And Order” goes beyond “take criminals off the street” to “serve the racial grievance machine, the environmental injury machine, the gay rights machine, the pro-muslim machine, etc. etc”, for POLITICAL reasons — we fundamental constitutional rights citizens are well and truly screwed.

More concisely: “George Zimmerman is all of us — or any of us”.

That gets my attention.

Thanks for your insight.

FRegards


2,234 posted on 07/10/2013 4:14:27 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: cookcounty

Perhaps “alleged victim.” I do not know the actual law and do not care enough to look it up. I do recall from listening to the argument that it included a phrase like “...Or designated representative.”

State tried to keep Crump in along with Tracy and Sybrina until defense defined the word “or” for them. He was then sent away.


2,235 posted on 07/10/2013 4:20:38 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Marcella

>> Do you have trouble with a belt holding you pants up?

I only wear a belt with dress clothes (church, visit clients, etc.) It works OK.

Sweat pants don’t have belt loops. :-)

And when I wear jeans out here, which I do occasionally, I don’t really have a belt that I feel like abusing. I’m HARD on clothes, belts, shoes. It’s a personality defect. :-) Fortunately, until I wear ‘em out, my old jeans are tight enough so I mostly get away with it. But it’s still the stop-every-three-minutes-and-yank-em-up pain.

That’s yet another reason why overalls are proving to be optimal. Even in the Texas summer.


2,236 posted on 07/10/2013 4:22:16 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: BlueDragon
>> Please feel free to "feel" lonely and ignored. <8^) (snif)... okay ... >> If there are pics of yourself, do not send. No worries!
2,237 posted on 07/10/2013 4:25:09 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: PghBaldy
MOM said they protected the memory of Trayvon... WHY should he care about that, if he REALLY wanted to get his client off?

MOM is a very well-thought-out person.

As he has said previously, in this case, someone lost a son.

Doesn't matter if the son was a thug, his mother and father still loved him (and their memory of him is all they have left).

Do I think MOM knew Trayvon was a thug? Absolutely.

Do I think MOM really cared about Trayvon's memory? Absolutely not!

Do I think that embracing a thought about a parent caring for a lost son might make MOM a more compassionate defender [as a matter of sincerity of appearance]...absolutely.

2,238 posted on 07/10/2013 4:25:52 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (You can't eat Sharia)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Is the Hispanic juror the one from Chicago. Just the mention of Chicago makes me nervous


2,239 posted on 07/10/2013 4:26:25 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: don-o

LOL!


2,240 posted on 07/10/2013 4:27:08 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's Enemies List - Yes, you are a crook.)
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