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Day 22 (Week #5) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | July 10, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 07/10/2013 5:15:07 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, July 10th, is DAY #22 (of 5th week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case.

Yesterday began with a boom as defense expert witness, world renowned Dr Vincent Di Maio took to the stand to validate the forensic evidence supporting George Zimmerman’s version of the encounter with Trayvon Martin. However, the day ended with an even bigger THUNDERCLAP in an epic 10pm showdown as Don West took on both the State prosecutors and trial Judge Nelson after the jury was released. Ending with Judge Nelson, turning her back and walking out of court. Unreal. A great analysis of the events from yesterday is available HERE.

The late night argument, not by the State, but by Judge Nelson herself, regarding phone evidence authentication, is so weak and insufferably devoid of legal analysis it is absurd on its face. Then again, this is the same judge who said a few days ago, flippantly in open court, that evidence should be “shredded” (Dr. Bao notes) after use. D’oh

Essentially Nelson argued that the phone records (texts and pics from Trayvon) cannot be authenticated to have originated by the specific personage of Trayvon Martin (despite two security codes) because anyone could have sent them. Whiskey*Tango*Foxtrot !!

How can an email be used in a sex offender case? How can phone records be used in RICO cases? How can GPS evidence be used in Insurance Cases? How are photographs taken by perps used against them? Think about it.

You can’t argue that evidence cannot be admitted because someone else might have made the actual phone call; Someone else might have physically sent the email; Someone else actually accessed the website; Someone else might have been the driver of the car; Or, someone else could possibly have been behind the viewing lens of the camera etc.

No, that argument does not mean you can arbitrarily exclude evidence. And this was the basis for her argument (watch the video).

Sure, that’s an argument which can be presented to the jury by the other side, as a counter point to create doubt with the jury, but it can’t be a reasonable consideration for total evidence exclusion. Then again, this is Judge Nelson – who in multiple prior cases has a high historical propensity of being overruled by the 5th District Court of Appeals.

It should be noted the NAACP Annual National Convention starts in Orlando on Friday; Additionally, preparations are being made in/around Miami-Dade for a Wednesday defense wrapped up with a community/LEO preparation meeting yesterday.


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KEYWORDS: george; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Betty Jane

yes, the JUDGE could grant an appeal bond.


1,041 posted on 07/10/2013 10:03:45 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: House Atreides

“Yeah...I’m curious as to how many people are dead from the one-punch knockout-king game the hood rats like to play.”

The hood rats are playing a different game now. They’re shoodting white(hispanic) babies in strollers near Atlanta.


1,042 posted on 07/10/2013 10:04:05 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: RummyChick
JAYBABY ‏@MrNine72 6m If Zimmerman gets acquitted, I'm gonna knock out random white boys all day.

Michael J. Lambert ‏@rackoflambert 10m Bow-chicka oh no: Zimmerman trial viewers swoon over mannequin demo; 'Wish I was that dummy'

http://twitchy.com/2013/07/10/bow-chicka-oh-no-zimmerman-trial-viewers-swoon-over-mannequin-demo-wish-i-was-that-dummy/
1,043 posted on 07/10/2013 10:04:17 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: All

Am I to believe the stand your ground law is different in FL than it is in TX?

In TX, stand your ground law refers to anyone who has a legal right to physically be where they are.

Is FL stand your ground only allowed in the home or vehicle?


1,044 posted on 07/10/2013 10:04:39 AM PDT by eastforker (Cruz for steam in 2016)
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To: advertising guy

And Obama’s boss.

http://front.moveon.org/a-powerful-song-for-trayvon-martin-featuring-jasiri-x/?id=38007-16539351-yALJ%3D6x


1,045 posted on 07/10/2013 10:04:56 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: JPX2011

More like copycat behavior. These folks ain’t the brightest bulbs in the stadium. A conspiracy is beyond their grade point average.


1,046 posted on 07/10/2013 10:05:35 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: longtermmemmory

heavy drinker? smoker?


Oh crap, I should have put a cigarette in scale.lol


1,047 posted on 07/10/2013 10:05:59 AM PDT by RetSignman (Immigration border protection is America's version of the Maginot Line)
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To: JPX2011

Manslaughter is a “lesser included charge” to murder 2 in Florida, which means that it’s automatically on the table.

I think what will happen is that in their closing arguments both pro and defense will “suggest” what instructions they’d like the judge to give the jury, including about the charges. Then the judge will weigh that with the law and instruct the jury.

Here’s a link to a pretty good article on the legal doctrine behind the charges in this trial, although I DO NOT AGREE with the author’s conclusion that killing Skittles was unwarranted.

http://viewfromll2.com/2012/04/14/the-statutory-basis-for-the-murder-charge-against-george-zimmerman-and-his-available-defenses-under-florida-law/


1,048 posted on 07/10/2013 10:06:37 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Marcella; showme_the_Glory; TigerClaws
Don't talk to the police
1,049 posted on 07/10/2013 10:07:01 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: RummyChick
btw, they were swooning over Andy from Office sounding like Kevin Costner..not MOM
1,050 posted on 07/10/2013 10:07:04 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: don-o

“Bernie is standing up again looking at the dummy on the floor - Perfect time to pants him again.”

Or give him a wedgie.


1,051 posted on 07/10/2013 10:07:30 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Fawn
Not exactly what GZ said and demonstrated in the re-enactment.

And remember the shirt testimony....it's a no brainer.

The prosecutions story doesn't fit.

1,052 posted on 07/10/2013 10:08:39 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SeaHawkFan

The lack of a legal training and practice requirement for supreme court justices in one of the checks and balances built into the constitution.

The founders imagined there could come a day that the legal profession as a whole could become corrupt and try to seize powers from the people for the exclusive use of its members.

How silly all those racist dead white guys were.


1,053 posted on 07/10/2013 10:09:13 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: sweetiepiezer
Story now on Instapundit that Holder's DoJ orchestrated protests over St Skittle's shooting.

Between that and Bammy's statement ("If I had a son..."), looks like GZ has a great Section 1983 civil suit against the Feds.

1,054 posted on 07/10/2013 10:09:33 AM PDT by Martin Tell (Victrix causa diis placuit sed victa Catoni.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Would just love to see it taken away. And regardless of what everyone else say, I believe it could happen and that’s why the insurance people settled.
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I think the reason the homeowner’s insurance company settled was because they were aware of the very cozy relationship between the Sanford city “manager” (he of the “let’s play the 911 tapes in my office and, by the way, none of you damn cops allowed) and the “crump/trayvon crew”. If they would have held out until they saw how this criminal trial had progressed, they’d not have settled or, perhaps, settled for a pittance.


1,055 posted on 07/10/2013 10:09:45 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: don-o

>> This is the Home of Over the Top.

uh... didn’t you say you had some lawn to mow, Mr. Thread Proctor?

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)


1,056 posted on 07/10/2013 10:09:48 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: JPX2011

“I wonder how much that exhibit cost the taxpayers of the Florida?”

Who went into the adult bookstore to buy it?


1,057 posted on 07/10/2013 10:09:53 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: advertising guy

Unbelievable...not.

And the other link on that thread about the Black Panther Party? Very troubling.


1,058 posted on 07/10/2013 10:10:29 AM PDT by txmissy
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To: eastforker
Is FL stand your ground only allowed in the home or vehicle?

“no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself.”

1,059 posted on 07/10/2013 10:11:09 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Now we all have Obama phones.)
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To: Fawn
But, Prosecution planted a seed that Treyvon saw the gun and started to sit back and retreat.

It is more than that in my humble non-attorney opinion. The defense just connected the reason the text messages are critical to Zimmerman's defense to actual testimony which brings it out of the hypothetical and into reality.

I'm assuming the defense probably knew it would be hard to authenticate the evidence in at this late date and is setting the stage for obtaining a retrial based on the failure of the judge to give adequate time to prepare and that the evidence directly affecting certain testimony.

In a real trial, my guess is these points would cause the prosecutor to agree to some assault charge of disturbing the peace if they knew they were facing at best a guilty plea that could cause a retrial where the defense would have more time to sharpen its case the second time around.

1,060 posted on 07/10/2013 10:11:17 AM PDT by Raycpa
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