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Vanity: If a true single payer healthcare system would save money would you be for it?
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Posted on 03/14/2013 8:11:08 AM PDT by ksen

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-system-cost

http://truecostblog.com/2009/05/13/how-much-would-universal-healthcare-cost/


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: marxism; singlepayer
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I know this is a contentious issue but I'd really like to know from you guys if a single payer system ended up being cheaper than our current system would you be for it.

And by cheaper I mean overall. Of course in a single payer system taxes would have to go up to pay for it but personal out of pocket expenses would go down as people wouldn't have to worry about paying for their medical on their own.

Looking forward to the fight . . . er dicussion.

1 posted on 03/14/2013 8:11:08 AM PDT by ksen
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No.

Allow for the purchase of health insurance across state lines. Allow competition to set the cost.

2 posted on 03/14/2013 8:13:57 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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NO... It WOULD be cheaper... no question. Because health care would be rationed, and there would be almost nothing spent on innovation.

Over time,most of us would be worse off.

Call me crazy, but I prefer systems that benefit the most productive in our society. That way, Darwinisn works to our benefit.


3 posted on 03/14/2013 8:14:09 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: ksen

Who wouldn’t be for a cheaper better system? Silly question

Of course the ‘single payer’ system in question isn’t cheaper, isn’t better, and give the govt control over individual health decisions.

So lets phrase it a different way. Would you be for a healthcare system which gives unknown political appointees the power to deny you life saving medical treatments?


4 posted on 03/14/2013 8:14:17 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ksen
Of course in a single payer system taxes would have to go up to pay for it

Then it is only cheaper for free loaders.

So NO!!!

5 posted on 03/14/2013 8:14:33 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ksen
Not just no but HELL NO.

Let the free market work (not that it does now). Anything the government touches turns to crap.

6 posted on 03/14/2013 8:15:11 AM PDT by Marathoner (What are we waiting for? Where are the Articles of Impeachment!)
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To: ksen

Lives will be lost resulting from the death panel decisions. Or do you want to keep the discussions purely on a financial level?


7 posted on 03/14/2013 8:16:16 AM PDT by bergmeid (I told you so - now pass the ammo.)
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To: ksen
If human nature were perfect, it would work.
8 posted on 03/14/2013 8:16:48 AM PDT by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: ksen

Sure.

I would like a single payer who is a space alien that pays everyone’s bills within 15 days in gold backed Swiss franks.

I would also like at home healthcare visits and a therapeutic message by a team of small asian women, twice a week.

Toss in dental, eyecare, pet coverage, and relaxed fit jeans.


9 posted on 03/14/2013 8:17:08 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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I know this is a contentious issue but I'd really like to know from you guys if a single payer system ended up being cheaper than our current system would you be for it.

Sure I would! And with St. Patty's Day coming up on Sunday, I'd like my unicorn in green, please.

10 posted on 03/14/2013 8:18:36 AM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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No!

Get government out of medicine (FDA, JAMA, NIS, etc.), allow insurance companies and doctors compete in a free market. Prices would necessarily drop as competition and innovation build.

YMMV


11 posted on 03/14/2013 8:18:40 AM PDT by petro45acp (No good endeavour survives an excess of adult supervision)
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I can get you single payer healthcare right now and it will be much cheaper.

But you won’t get any health care.

You cannot control prices from a single source and expect the high quality and price competition that result from free market forces.

You can’t get a heart transplant (and live) but it’s “cheaper” because the government pays for it. This just doesn’t work.


12 posted on 03/14/2013 8:19:05 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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Who knows? I'm depending on Congress to sort this out and be fair to me.

< /sarcasm>

13 posted on 03/14/2013 8:19:44 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: ksen

No. It gives too much decision-making to the state. This isn’t just about the money.


14 posted on 03/14/2013 8:20:01 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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that should have been NIH not NIS,

and oh yeah, CURE DISEASES!!!


15 posted on 03/14/2013 8:20:09 AM PDT by petro45acp (No good endeavour survives an excess of adult supervision)
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To: ksen

No, here in Canada you are 38% more likely to die from cancer than the US because of a single payer system.

I’ve been advocating for privatization for years, and the US wants to go in this direction? It’s pure crazy. Also, call me crazy, but I don’t like anyone having power over my health, least of all government officials.


16 posted on 03/14/2013 8:20:12 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: ksen

Nothing the government runs is ever really cheaper.


17 posted on 03/14/2013 8:20:21 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ksen

In addition, there are serious issues regarding liberty. Once the government fully controls your healthcare options, the government controls you. Or your death.

These are not hypothetical points. Politicians, people, are corrupt and evil. They WILL use their power over their enemies which soon becomes anyone who gets in their way.

No.


18 posted on 03/14/2013 8:21:04 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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No - the US constitution does not give the Federal Government the power to legislate such things as socialized medicine.


19 posted on 03/14/2013 8:21:13 AM PDT by circlecity
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No, I have lived in Canada........piss poor medical.
I know people from the UK....... piss poor medical.
You get what you pay for, and single payer is piss poor every where it is tried.


20 posted on 03/14/2013 8:21:49 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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