Posted on 11/14/2012 8:14:02 AM PST by DiogenesLamp
A lot of people who were against us "birthers" said the issue was nonsense, and a distraction, and that we should quit wasting time on it because "we have to defeat Barack Obama at the ballot box." As a person who saw how the media swindled us out of the 2008 election, I never took it as a given that we would be ABLE to defeat Obama at the ballot box. Why would the media not do the same thing to us in 2012? Given that the election fraud perpetrated by Democrats had been taken to an entirely new level by this Chicago crew, I saw it as a real danger that winning an election against this guy was no sure thing. (He Cheats)
What I also saw in 2008 was someone who was inexplicably sensitive to issues regarding his birth and citizenship, and who displayed a degree of stubbornness towards it that could only be explained by the possibility that he was hiding something really bad. It was a loose thread sticking out. I had always thought we should pull at that thread and see what unravels, but there were those of you out there (and you know who you are) that were absolutely terrified and/or disdainful of touching this issue, and preferred to rely exclusively on a political campaign to save us from this Communist.
Simply incorrect.
No, it's not incorrect, it's that so many officials are incompetent, and so many Americans are so ignorant. There ARE requirements to be President, and the power to enforce them is implicit in the law that created them. These requirements are properly enforced by each state's election officials. If they would not let someone on the ballot who has not reached the correct age (as established by proof, not say-so.) then they can neither let someone on the ballot who has not established (by proof) that they meet the residency and natural citizen requirements.
If he actually was born overseas (which I do not believe), the wisest course of action would be to have supported legislation in one or two key swing states that would require proof of birthright or naturalized citizenship for ballot access to state or national offices.
I did support such legislation. My state was about to pass it when the Governor nixed it with behind the scenes lobbying. In true fact, legislation should not have been required because authority to do so is implicit in the law which created the eligibility requirements. (Article II.)
Instead, the Birthers went with the Taitz litigation strategy.
They tried half a dozen things, up to and including the Taitz litigation strategy. Your sort impugned and back-bit every effort that was attempted. Rather than lend support, you helped to insure failure, certain in the false knowledge that the lying cheating B@stard wouldn't be able to win again. Who's the fool now?
How did that work out for you?
Better than for you. I turned out to be correct. You guys turned out to be too smart by half. The forcing him to release an official certified copy of his original birth certificate to State Election officials strategy might not have worked, but it wouldn't have made any difference in the final outcome if it had failed.
yeah, we’re all “hussein head freaks”. Please have a stiff drink, and get hold of yourself.
If our election officials had upheld the requirements of Article II, he might never have become President, and we would not have to worry about removing him.
No actual proof of birth in the United States was ever submitted to any official responsible for certifying him for the ballot. All the State officials received was a letter signed by Nancy Pelosi which asserted that he was a "natural born citizen". (As if she had seen proof or had a clue what that means.)
Efforts to get election officials to demand proof from Him or from Hawaii failed because they did not want to be embarrassed by asking for proof. Efforts to pass a law REQUIRING such proof also failed, because one Governor Vetoed it (on the basis she didn't want the Secretary of State making this decision, oblivious to the fact that he can do so anyway) and another Governor lobbied behind the scenes to kill such legislation.
Well-said!
The Tea Party leaders, conservative leaders and most ‘patriots’ have worked almost exclusively on ‘voting them out’ the last few years because they believe that is the only way to remove Obama and save the Republic. They insist that obama’s inelig is a taboo or is not as important as opposing obamacare, stimulus, and all other horrendous ‘policies’ the usurper shoves down our throats.
They have been fighting the ‘moves’ but not the ‘mover’ even though they have the ultimate silver bullet to remove the usurper.
How is that working out for you????
TOTAL AND COMPLETE DEFEAT!
Had they all, at the very beginning, UNITED to raise hell on his constitutional ineligibility and/or his fraudulent digital image of bc, more Americans would have been educated on this issue, more pressure, more distraction and much more discredit would have been piled on the usurper and the lamestream meida.
Remember almost 2 millions showed up at the first DC rally, all but at short notice from the Tea Party leaders. That shows how much rallying power they have. Had that rally been about the usurper’s constitutional ineligibility, we would have a good start and would have been able to build on that.
But no! They would not go there!!!
They forbid their followers from going there!!!
By fighting the usurper’s every ‘policy’ they effectively validate his illegal ‘presidency’!
They let him run for the presidency a second time.
Are they going to let him run a third time?
Next time you conservative people who will not touch the userper’s inelig issue will win the election????????????
Don’t cry foul! You should have known that the election will be stolen again!
What do you expect from a fraud who forges his bc, hides all his bona fide, shows no respect for anybody and anything, is a lawless anti-American who gets away with murder?
You think he will tell his criminals to play nice?
I slammed Birthers way before that Abortion discussion came up. On several occasions.
Now, do you have anything to contribute to the topic at hand or are you going to keep repeating yourself and violating the "NO personal attacks" posting guideline?
Yeah, they work, I know because I treat psychotics for a living.
Thanks for letting me know. I had already assumed as much.
Ooh, you’re a sensitive little thing, aren’t you.
And now Zero the usurper n thief’s buddy John Brennan, who’s firm breached Zero’s passport records, current counter terrorism czar in the White Hut, is now possible candidate to head CIA. Sickening.
BRENNAN?????\
Does he need to be confrimed or anything?
That is insane!!!
I read a different name the other day. Some R guy.
Well-said!
The Tea Party leaders, conservative leaders and most ‘patriots’ have worked almost exclusively on ‘voting them out’ the last few years because they believe that is the only way to remove Obama and save the Republic. They insist that obama’s inelig is a taboo or is not as important as opposing obamacare, stimulus, and all other horrendous ‘policies’ the usurper shoves down our throats.
They have been fighting the ‘moves’ but not the ‘mover’ even though they have the ultimate silver bullet to remove the usurper.
How is that working out for you????
TOTAL AND COMPLETE DEFEAT!
Had they all, at the very beginning, UNITED to raise hell on his constitutional ineligibility and/or his fraudulent digital image of bc, more Americans would have been educated on this issue, more pressure, more distraction and much more discredit would have been piled on the usurper and the lamestream meida.
Remember almost 2 millions showed up at the first DC rally, all but at short notice from the Tea Party leaders. That shows how much rallying power they have. Had that rally been about the usurper’s constitutional ineligibility, we would have a good start and would have been able to build on that.
But no! They would not go there!!!
They forbid their followers from going there!!!
By fighting the usurper’s every ‘policy’ they effectively validate his illegal ‘presidency’!
They let him run for the presidency a second time.
Are they going to let him run a third time?
Next time you conservative people who will not touch the userper’s inelig issue will win the election????????????
Don’t cry foul! You should have known that the election will be stolen again!
What do you expect from a fraud who forges his bc, hides all his bona fide, shows no respect for anybody and anything, is a lawless anti-American who gets away with murder?
You think he will tell his criminals to play nice?
Lower level dominoes need to fall before getting inside the White House.
You have a blatantly forged digital image of an LFBC. A forged COLB as well.
If people do not go after the Factcheck-2 (Henig and Miller) or Hawaii officials or state SoSs for accepting a non-document, document then getting to the President is not going to happen.
He is trying to use his persona as protection for lower level people. Look at what he did today with Susan Rice - “they should come after me..” He loves being the target.
Pawns must fall before Kings are captured in a chess game. Not one pawn has fallen. Until they do this is mute.
The process of putting Obama on the ballot was largely Negative affirmation -- meaning somebody had to object. The absence of negative affirmation means a silent and tacit yea.
On the other hand, the act of the EC voting and The U.S congress certifying the election is a positive affirmation, meaning they have to certify or not certify. They certified.
Pelosi sending a letter is another positive affirmation and in fact she affirmed he is a natural born citizen. You have no place in the process other than your vote. You exercised (hopefully) as did others.
Courts can get involved sure, but the accusations have been tossed out. But even if the birther's dreams came true and the SCOTUS determined that Obama was not a natural born citizen, there is no way to remove him other than Article 2 section 4.
If you get nothing but crickets, does that mean they agree with you? I dealt with CoLB trolls 4 years ago and their tactics are still the same. I’d still be chasing them down but JimRob told me to stop. Now there are tens of millions of birthers, still dozens of anticonstitutionalist CoLB trolls operating on this constitutionalist website, and we gained no political capital from this debacle other than to hand Donald Trump some free publicity. The lunacy is everywhere.
Yes, read it in UK press (of course) at the bottom of article in a photo caption.... was surprised to see this unqualified Obot’s name being floated but what else is new in Obambi-land:
Ultimately the fight isn't about Obama. If we can't articulate conservative values well enough, field good candidates, and persuade enough people to vote for conservatives, we won't get anywhere, with or without Obama.
So yes, being able to persuade the voters to vote the liberals out isn't just a key. It's THE key.
Actually, if that rally had been "about the usurper's constitutional eligibility," there would probably be nothing left of the Tea Party now.
ping #17
Oh, good grief. That's not an argumentum ad populum. Never did I say you were wrong because nobody believes you.
What I said was that if you can't even convince people here of the rightness of your cause, then you're not going to get anywhere with the broader public audience, which is FAR LESS friendly to your claims.
Here you have the friendliest audience possible, and probably something more than half of us believe you're off your rocker.
Consider that a test run as to the results you can expect elsewhere. Well, in fact, that's turned out to be a great test run. From the reception here, you might expect that the broader world is going to almost 100% treat you as lunatics. And that in fact is exactly what's happened.
So no. I never said or even implied that you must be wrong because almost nobody believes you. In fact, it's the other way around. Almost nobody believes you... because you're wrong.
You said:
We had a hammer with which to beat him easily, and you guys helped throw it away because you didn't think it would work. Well what we did do didn't work either.
People here didn't help "throw your hammer away" mostly because we didn't think it would work. (And by the way, nothing anybody did here could have possibly have stopped you from "beating him with it," if it had been as good a "hammer" as you thought it was.)
People here helped "throw your hammer away" (from here, at least) because not only was it a bunch of hooey, you were in quite significant danger of whacking fellow conservatives in the head with it.
As most legal people rely on Precedent, a wrong or misunderstood precedent will cause all subsequent lawyers/Judges to follow the same wrong path. It's like that Squadron that flew in the ground. Their leader flew into the ground, so the rest of them followed him.
The judge I mentioned didn't rule on some past precedent. He listened to everything that Orly and her super-snazzy "experts" had to say. They requested that he hear their case on its merits, so he did. And then, after doing so, he said, in effect, that they were a bunch of clowns who only imagined that they had a case.
With all the side considerations I believe, perhaps not only my opinion, that the Founders discussed and voted on a very specific terminology of “natural born’ for POTUSA and left the ordinary use of ‘citizen’ for congresspersons and other ordinary citizens you have mentioned. Certainly the people are free to choose among many kinds of citizens that are also ‘natural born’. My belief is that the Founders were wise to use the terminology of ‘natural born’ as a distinguishing feature against any undue foreign influence. I speak as a child of not naturalized immigrant parents, who served overseas in WWII and had an only brother killed on Okinawa. Though not eligible for POTUSA we were willing to give our lives just to be citizens of the USA.
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