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Posted on 09/16/2012 11:52:44 AM PDT by fabian
Now celebrating 52 years of helping people on the radio! For over half a century Roy Masters has been helping people overcome their most difficult problems. As the nation’s first and longest running radio counselor, Roy Masters has advised callers with a unique ability to hear inner problems, heal fears and sexual stresses, and help people take charge of their own lives. Great show and exactly what the world needs! Here is a radio show stations page... http://www.fhu.com/radiostations.html
It DOES??
Where?
Same ignoring of the facts; especially the very words out of their own mouths!
First of all you have way too much time on your hands..secondly, since you are so smart about the bible, that verse is easily accessible to you. It is also commonsense and matched with forgiveness. Come on now, you should know that.
Shame is on you fabie.
There is religion, and then there is Christ; never the two shall meet; Christ is the way to eternal life, and religion the way to death.
For a fleeting moment I thought you were referring to the “Bagwan Rajinishi.”
He was in Oregon for a while too :o)
And it is mighty Christian of you to honor my request to be called by my name Fabian. Yes, very dignified you are. Hah!
How do you JUDGE this 'fact' so precisely?
According to Osho every human being is a Buddha with the capacity for enlightenment, capable of unconditional love and of responding rather than reacting to life, although the ego usually prevents this, identifying with social conditioning and creating false needs and conflicts and an illusory sense of identity that is nothing but a barrier of dreams.[170][171][172]
At the fourth, silent stage, the meditator stops moving suddenly and totally, remaining completely motionless for fifteen minutes, witnessing everything that is happening.[177][178]
...a correspondent once asked Osho for his "Ten Commandments". In reply Osho noted that it was a difficult matter because he was against any kind of commandment but, "just for fun", set out the following;
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It's just that your CHOSEN screen name - FABIAN - has negative connotations for most educated people, and would just rather not see it spelled out in full - similar, perhaps, to the spelling we see often on FR of G-D.
At least, that's the way that I judge it.
http://www.google.com/search?q=fabian+socialism&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475
The verse is Luke 21:19 and says, “In your patience possess ye your souls,” with the context actually being the tribulation of persecution. While this does advocate patience, that is by faith as a fruit of the Holy Spirit, whom a believer receives when he is born again, and which is not a process, but an event that makes one part of the kingdom of God thru faith.
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, “ (Ephesians 1:13)
And while it is true that something lies at the root of stress, fear and pain, that something is not necessarily anger, though it can be resentment and unforgiveness, but it is primarily a lack of faith in surrender to God.
And again, the issue is not that all that Masters teaches is wrong, for like every cult he has many valid things to say, but the devil himself can speak insightful truth, and Masters is a type of “another Christ” who draws away disciples after Himself and not the Christ of the Bible, and actually requiring that one deny His deity for salvation. He likely denies eternal torment as well, which is another mark of many cults.
His statement that he could use the Bible like toilet paper in saying that it is the understanding he gets from it that is holy is also wrong, for while the Temple was only stone, etc., yet was a sanctified holy place due to what it contained and was set apart for, and even unbelieving spouses are set apart in this life due to the presence of one believer, (1Cor. 7:14) as seen in the case of Lot. (Gn. 19)
Masters also goes to extremes in blaming woman as well as food man’s spiritual problems. While in Scripture it was the act of disobedience that caused man to fall, and the forbidden fruit was not ordinary food, and the Lord makes it clear that it is not food that is the problem but the heart, (Mk. 7:18-23) in his book, “Eat no evil,” Masters states,
“Food and drink are portals through which a recreation spirit enters and evolves....” “Through food you are transformed, and you also forget what grew inside and changed you; you grow the sin self as though it were the true self. You forget that what you are is wrong; and you remind yourself of that error and the deviant, sickening you, is right. And through food, wrong is denied to the death. Food then, is a drug.” Through food we are all being guided by the dark spirit to a “heavenly” the hell on earth. Hence-all suffering and tragedy. (Forbidden fruits: life’s elixir; pp. 31,32)
“The Bible records that the first man’s (outer) eyes were opened through partaking of the forbidden drug of (mind-expanding) fruit.” (P. 44)
“While man happens to be omnivorous, he cannot eat without sin; which is to say, without enlightenment, the curse continues to flow through the food/woman experience to build the ego beast in him that sin gave birth to.” (P. 44)
The above and more reminds me of the Gnostic types Scripture warns of who focus on food beyond simply for heath reasons, and whose ordinances have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body, but were vainly puffed up by their fleshly mind, not rightly holding the Head. (cf. Col. 2:18-23)
He is thus like others who imagined superior enlightenment that rejected basic historical Scriptural truths, being esp. like Mary Baker Eddy of so-called “CHRISTIAN SCIENCE,” as well as EUGENE SWEDENBORG: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Bible_versus_S.C.C.S.html
http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Swedenborg.html
Masters’ meditation is presented the means by which Adam and Eve’s original holy spirits are restored, thru a born again journey and is the only way to know you’re spirit is saved
He is also charged with confessing that he has NO prayer life because his meditation will create the same holy intentions of a prayerful heart. And that that once you have begun his meditation you will never have to read another spiritual book, including the Bible. - http://www.amazon.com/review/R1ARW9S4UFOAP4/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0933900147&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=
See more on Masters here, and how he fishes from the conservation Christan pier: http://theonebestway.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/david-kupelian-is-not-a-christian/
I can see why, though i doubt this is why the poster choose it: “The Fabian Society is a British socialist organization whose purpose is to advance the principles of democratic socialism via gradualist and reformist.”
A disciple is not greater than his master.
Yes, Bagwan Rajinishi was also in Oregon, but he was not the one. But from what i read Masters had a sizable amount of devotees to himself.
A quote from his ‘Hypnotic States of Americans’: ‘Inspired by the idea of harnessing this baffling force for good, he later pursued the art of hypnotism and established a successful hypnotherapy practice.’ He was unable to continue in that practice without a professional license, so he founded the Foundation of Human Understanding in 1961 upon the realization that ‘life itself is hypnosis’ and the solution is to be ‘DE-hypnotized’ from undue influences and pressures that cause us to over-react to stress.
He began teaching a meditation exercise and started a call-in radio talk show called ‘How Your Mind Can Keep You Well’....he later changed the name of the program to ‘Advice Line.’
In 1982 he moved the headquarters of the FHU from Los Angeles, CA, to Selma, Oregon, near Grants Pass, and invited his followers to follow him there and more out of the big cities before the ultimate collapse and downfall of society. Approximately 2000 of his followers moved to Grants Pass in 1982. After a legal battle he successfully obtained tax-exempt status claiming that his organization is a church.
Other excerpts from posters:
Masters states that his teachings are ‘Judeo-Christian’ in nature and claims to have a deeper understanding of the Bible than what most churches teach.
Masters has referred to himself as the only person besides Jesus Christ who has this special knowledge and understanding that was not passed on in the canonization of the Bible.
He offers books, audio and video recordings, a web site, church services, and meetings. The objective of his teachings and meditation practice is to bring people to their own inner understanding of truth and to overcome and transcend our evil sin nature that responds hypnotically to the pressures and stresses of life.
People who follow Masters’ teachings are instructed to withdraw all emotional involvement with absolutely everything in their lives: family, friends, work, eating, drinking, recreational activities ‹ because any involvement with anything whatsoever is a sin that can lead to death and hell.
Having any kind of self-image is discouraged. According to Masters, pleasure causes a hypnotic state; do not enjoy food, or entertainment, or music, or any other recreational activity. Do not engage in anything of a sensual nature or you are reinforcing the original sin of escaping from reality. Sleep is the enemy of consciousness therefore be careful not to sleep too deeply.
The objective of the meditation exercise is to reach a heightened state of consciousness in which there is no emotion, no feeling, no sensuality, no reaction or response to any outside stimuli, no thought, no decision-making.
Masters prefers to call it an ‘observation exercise’ rather than meditation as there is a ‘razor’s edge’ that separates hypnosis from true meditation.
The meditation he teaches contains very simple instructions and seems quite harmless from the outset. My experience in practicing it for 6 years, and the experiences shared with me by others including my own brother, have proven to be detrimental rather than beneficial. Many of us experienced loss of control of our critical thinking processes and a trance-like effect from the meditation.
Probably the most interesting revelation in this book regarding Masters’ meditation practice is found on Page 24 in which he states that “….a razor’s edge separates hypnosis from true meditation” and that ‘Each can become the other.’ This came as a surprise to me because it is such a departure from his classic teachings. Masters used to declare that his meditation was the exact and complete opposite of hypnosis, that it is in fact diametrically opposed to inducing a hypnotic state. Here he reveals how very easy it is to just ‘toggle’ back and forth between hypnosis and ‘true meditation’ as he calls it. This brings up the question……what’s the difference then? How does one know if they are ‘meditating’ or just being hypnotized by a clever teacher who is well-versed in hypnotic technique? Masters goes on to say that ‘concentration’ on anything causes a hypnotic state and ‘observation’ causes a meditative state; apparently the difference between hypnosis and Masters’ meditation is whether you are ‘concentrating’ or ‘observing’ as you practice it. It comes down to Masters’ nimble use of language, a verbal smokescreen obscuring the fact that his meditation practice is a poorly disguised hypnotic programming tool which looks completely innocent to the unsuspecting public..
To me this book was very cumbersome to read because of the continual recitation over and over of the same theme, as if by sheer repetition Masters can induce a hypnotic state in the reader in which he finds himself agreeing with the author. Either that or Masters considers his readers to be rather stupid. In short, the theme of the book is that life exerts a hypnotic force through our reactions to it and forces upon us a realm in which we are merely one or the other: a psychopath or a psychotic. Ambitious and success-driven people are the psychopaths and basically everyone else are their psychotic victims. Any emotional reaction to anything creates and keeps us in a psychotic state.
(www.freedomofmind.com/Info/infoDet.php?id=56)
I was not familiar with that verse in the KJV, having used mostly NIV for the last few years.
Here are how the English translations stack up for Luke 21:19...
I have provided actual quotes and related them to the bible. You reply with a dumb lack of knowledge of an extremely important, yet small bible quote. You guys have no interest in seeing the truth here, only proliferating your preset judgment. You just go right ahead. The awake people reading this can see who is the false Christians here. Very obvious. And my name is a good one...because others have used evil who were named it does not give a “christian” an excuse to temp me and use my name in a childish way. You guys are honestly very robotic and immature. But I am not mad at you...you really know not what you do. Neither do you apparently wish to know. O well! Have a good one!
HMMMmmm...
Small; eh?
Like reply #80 you completely ignored?
The written word is not to be learned by wrote which your type does. That is a prideful thing...go ahead and try to excuse it with bible verses all you want. I argue from my holy spirit before the bible as I know overall it is true, but there are indeed mistranslations. That is why Jesus said in revelations that anyone who takes away from the book , such will be taken away from them in eternity. The written only testifies to the holy spirit which communicates to us in a flash...in light, not in words in our heads. It is far simpler and beyond your understanding....sadly.
Way beyond learning; they all have the same daddy, and he ain’t yours or mine!
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