Being a hardcore constitutionalist, conservative, believer in G-D AND supporter of TRADITIONAL-marriage is not always easy. I usually take a lot of heat from moderate POS' and Liberals, and I'm used to that.
Posted on 08/03/2012 4:19:35 PM PDT by agooga
Being a hardcore constitutionalist, conservative, agnostic AND supporter of gay-marriage is not always easy. I usually take a lot of heat from both sides, and I'm used to that.
With the Chick-Fil-A situation, I see both sides of the issue. I support CFA and I support the idea of gay marriage. What I don't support are the tactics used by the left to bully, intimidate, mock, deride and create false narratives to achieve their goal.
I'm angry at the left for creating hatred. I see and hear a lot of it because I have so many gay and liberal friends, and I hate to see them so angry and hateful, and I hate to see them putting out all of that negativity into the world. I feel like it's pollution, seeping out of their mouths and fingertips, spreading and touching us all. I feel like it's hurting us all. I know it's hurting me.
Sometimes I try to explain this to them. I have many Christian friends who are for traditional marriage, and I RESPECT their point of view. I acknowledge the fact that thousands of years of customs and tradition, millions of years of evolution, and various types of traditional upbringing and church doctrine has deeply encoded the idea of man/woman relationships and man/woman marriage on almost all of us. Some of us have been able and willing to make the leap to their side and accept the gay lifestyle as valid, but many of us have not.
My pro-gay friends equate the gay rights struggle with the cvil rights struggle, and there are SOME parallels, but not as many as they would think. Slavery, segregation and other forms of racial discrimination were actually encoded in the laws of the time. There are no laws that currently discriminate against gay people-- the issue is simply that there are no laws that specifically countenance gay people, and the right to gay marriage.
Is there prejudice from some in the hetero community? Yes. Is this prejudice based on a belief in one's intellectual or physical superiority? No. It's based on an IDEA, essentially. It's often based on the principle of morality. Traditionalists think that gay people are "doing something wrong" or "doing something that is unnatural." Some heteros think that gay people choose this lifestyle and believe they can change themselves-- but choose not to as an act of rebellion. This is not true.
Gayness is imprinted, in my opinion, just as anti-gayness is imprinted. Neither are clear, conscious choices that we make-- they are largely made for us by our genetics, upbringing, culture or some combination.
I ask that you not hate gay people for this reason.
But I also directly ask gay people and their supporters not to hate you and TRY to understand why traditionalists feel uncomfortable, threatened and even repulsed by the gay lifestyle. And rather than trying to push traditionalists off the edge of the cliff, I ask my pro-gay friends to try to lead these skeptics away from the cliff with respect, tolerance and compassion. So far, this plea has fallen mostly on deaf ears.
I operate under no illusions that we can wave a magic wand and heal the wounds of our nation, largely inflicted by anarcho-radical leftwing 60's retread tactics. But is it just me, or does no one understand that the more you push with brute force, the more the other side digs in it's heels to resist?
Gay marriage will likely be reality in America soon. That issue will be settled in the SCOTUS and it will be all over in a soundbite released on a Friday night before the justices go on summer vacation. I am sure of that. But we still have to live with each other.
So my question is this: Have these words meant anything to you? And is it worth trying to help other people understand one another a little more? Or is it none of my (or anyone's) business?
The homosexual gestapo has had their ass handed to them this week.
I welcome a discussion about why.
They are insisting on changing religious organizations and their core beliefs. Simply said, f them.
Go for civil unions. No one cares. Unfortunately your primadonnas are not happy unless they crush Christianity.
War on the church, and there will be hell to pay.
Even an idiot like the CFO should have understood this.
BTW, the GiBLiTS have grabbed a tiger by the tail, and they are rather a small percentage of the population. At this point I would shut up and sit down.
Interesting phraseology in itself.
Of course you would... Troll!
'Gay' marriage is not about them having marriage 'rights', it's about their degenerate lifestyle being mainstreamed, accepted, deemed 'just another life style'. It is demanding they be give special rights. It is the leading edge of their 'in your face, we demand to be deemed normal' strategy. You see, they know n their hearts that their 'life style' is degenerate and against what God has ordained. But they have this lied-to mentality which whispers that if only society will accept their 'life style' as just 'another life style of equal validity', then they will be acceptable.
Only in degenerate minds will their sexual perversions ever be 'acceptable'. So if you really are a conservative and support their degenerate sexual perversions as 'just another life style', then you have been taken in by the author of that great lie, the father of lies, a murderer from the start.
'Gay' marriage is not about them having marriage 'rights', it's about their degenerate lifestyle being mainstreamed, accepted, deemed 'just another life style'. It is demanding they be given special rights. It is the leading edge of their 'in your face, we demand to be deemed normal' strategy. You see, they know n their hearts that their 'life style' is degenerate and against what God has ordained. But they have this lied-to mentality which whispers that if only society will accept their 'life style' as just 'another life style of equal validity', then they will be acceptable.
Only in degenerate minds will their sexual perversions ever be 'acceptable'. So if you really are a conservative and support their degenerate sexual perversions as 'just another life style', then you have been taken in by the author of that great lie, the father of lies, a murderer from the start.
Being a hardcore constitutionalist, conservative, believer in G-D AND supporter of TRADITIONAL-marriage is not always easy. I usually take a lot of heat from moderate POS' and Liberals, and I'm used to that.
As you said you are an agnostic I have to ask you this question. Since you doubt God then all emotions and feelings can be boiled down to simple chemical reactions in the brain. If this is true then the purpose of sex is to gurantee the survival of the species. Since two males or two females cannot reproduce then you must admit that they are either denying their natural drive to create or are mentally or physicall ill. If this is true then is it not inhumane to not treat them, or even worse encourage their ill behavior?
I’m not homophobic, I am homonauseous. Other than that I, too, don’t give a crap...but then I don’t expect much from my fellow man. Dogs, however, are worthy of my respect.
“encoded the idea of man/woman relationships and man/woman marriage on almost all of us. Some of us have been able and willing to make the leap to their side and accept the gay lifestyle as valid, but many of us have not. “
Yeah, we’re “encoded”.
Funny how a person tells his own error...
There’s really only a couple of things worth understanding. One is that two men messing with each other’s anal area can in no stretch of the imagination be called “love” or “marriage.” Neither can a couple of women violating each other with plastic items. It’s nothing but sick perversion and mental illness. If it doesn’t inspire in you the urge to throw up, something’s wrong.
Just “picture the act” and tell me it’s OK. A Pro-Gay Conservative is an Oxymoron.
BS troll, words have meanings.
IF, you're a prosecutor and supposedly trained within Constitutional law, how would contracts be valid if over the years you can change semantics?
take the semester off. Check out some books on "Natural Law."
Then get back to us.
“I have so many gay and liberal friends, and I hate to see them so angry and hateful...”
Stopped me cold right there. Hateful is not my idea of friend. Yow!
What are you? A masochist???
An agnostic doesn't "doubt God...he just doesn't know.
Your name says you are a “palindrome” , you go either way. Conservatives do not go either way.
That was quick!
Gay marriage is not likely to be the law anytime soon.
Your entire premise is flawed.
Of course this Moron’s premise is flawed.
He starts out by saying what Chick-fil-a’s position is.
This moron, doesn’t even know Chick-Fil-A HAS NO POSITION.
The issue came from the Owner of Chick-Fil_A, as a personal
opinion, not company policy or opinion.
You are not a “conservative”.
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