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CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE VIDEO... (ARE NOKIA's PROBLEMS NOW MICROSOFT's PROBLEMS?)

[Mr. Jeeves]

Several years ago, Nokia was the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world when it came to making phones.

That's usually the point where the executive team stops thinking.

Research in Motion is making a similar mistake with the Blackberry - it needs to support Android apps ASAP, but management can't seem to get that.

[smokingfrog]

[ExCTCitizen]

I think Nokia and RIM should ask Oblame-o for a BAILOUT, and have him blame the GOP/Bush on their problems!!

[Cicero]

I prefer not to play around with Beta versions of Microsoft Windows, so I have stayed away from Windows 8. I do other betas, but MS beta operating systems stung me too often in the early days.

But the word out seems to be that Windows 8 is a lousy platform for desktops or laptops, but designed primarily for iPad type operations.

If so, this cannot be good news for Microsoft. I like Windows 7, but it really looks as if Windows 8 will be another loser.

[RegulatorCountry]

So that puts Microsoft back at square one again.

Given all the square Large Innovative Tiles in theIr upcoming OS, that's oddly apropos.

[spaced]

Shades of Motorola! Back in the analog days of cellphones, the batwing symbol dominated the market. But when digital technology arose, Motorola stayed with analog and lost most of the market.

[dayglored]

Despite their losing position in the phone market, Microsoft talked Nokia into their bed because Nokia was even worse off. But like the real-life analogy, no matter how desperate you are for a bed-mate, it's always a bad idea to seduce somebody worse off than yourself. You only get dragged down farther and faster.

I think more details of the analogy are unnecessary....

I hope Microsoft gets smart enough to throw Nokia under the bed. That's probably what this announcement Monday is about, at least indirectly.

[montag813]

Why would anyone buy the Nokia Windows phone. there are probably more apps available for HP’s now-defunct Palm Pre than there are for the MS platform. Microsoft waited far too long. It is like trying to enter the 2012 presidential race....today. Ridiculous.

[JoeFromSidney]

This is called "creative destruction."

[martin_fierro]

[Swordmaker]

 Nokia imploding! Why? According to this article, the iPhone! —PING!

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[Vendome]

I hate Google but it’s over. Android is the T-1000.... And there will be no “Come with me, if you want to live”.

Someone will come up with an alternative that will provide more anonymity but, that day is years away.

[SmokingJoe]

Because Microsoft (MSFT) and Nokia are now in bed together, moreover, Nokia’s problems have become Microsoft's problems. Microsoft is desperate to regain some of the ground it has lost to Apple and Google in smartphones. But its one major global partner, Nokia, is now drowning. So that puts Microsoft back at square one again.

Lazy journalism. That bit is wrong on so many levels.

# 1. Nokia was already drowning before their partnership with Microsoft. Symbian smartphone sales were already sharply down and falling even faster than before.

# 2. Nokia is already the biggest Windows Phone seller on the planet, having swiftly overtaken Samsung and HTC which started selling Windows Phones long before Nokia did. And Nokia’s Windows Phone sales have been going UP.

# 3. Before Windows Phone, Nokia smartphone sales in the US(on Symbian) were close to zero.

# 4. For the Launch month of April, and for May, the Nokia Lumia 900 was the top selling single smartpone model for AT&T-authorized resellers:
http://www.mobilebloom.com/nokia-lumia-900-4g-still-on-top-of-att-authorized-resellers-bestsellers-list/2215150/

# 5. On Amazon, only the upcoming launch of the super hyped, record selling in Europe(where its already been luanched) Sanmung Galaxy III, has been able to dislodge the Nokia Lumia 900 from the top seling position, where it's stood since the April Lumia 900 launch:
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Cell-Phones-Accessories-AT/zgbs/wireless/2422313011/ref=pd_ts_zgc_cps_2422313011_more?pf_rd_p=1279002702&pf_rd_s=right-3&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=2422313011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0BYJNDXXFDR85XZZW9F1

# 6. Samsung, HTC and the top Chinese smartphone maker ZTE are all doubling down on Windows Phone sets with the upcoming Windows Phone 8 release. Even the super hyped Samsung Galaxy III is rumoured to be releasing a Windows Phone 8 model come October:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/08/zte-tania-waves-windows-phone-flag-for-china-makes-official-mai/
http://www.everythingwm.com/zte-tania-coming-to-the-united-states-by-the-end-of-2012/2012/06/16/
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/mobile-phone/3354952/samsung-galaxy-s3-run-windows-8-in-october/

So its not as if Nokia is the only firm selling Windows Phones, in the very unlikely event of Nokia gong down in flames.

# 7. Nokia got UPGRADED by analysts following the cost cutting announcement, and the stock actually went UP, the day after the announcement, following the analyst upgrades:

Analysts upgrade Nokia after plans for layoffs, plant closings; look to Windows 8 phones
http://www.newser.com/article/d9vdmeko0/analysts-upgrade-nokia-after-plans-for-layoffs-plant-closings-look-to-windows-8-phones.html

[Ironfocus]

I used to work at Nokia, and it is sad to see the company in this position. The problems at Nokia did not start with the iPhone, it started way before then. We were working on a smart-phone concept, complete with touch-screen and app platform in 2000 already, but it never came to market because:
1. The touch screens were not considered robust enough for everyday use, and
2. The executives at Nokia at that time did not believe in a “closed” business model, like Apple launched. They wanted everything to be open source, like Linux, even the apps.
3. They believed that Nokia would always hold the majority market share, and therefore, whatever Nokia would sell, the market would buy.

Too much arrogance, and dismissive of the strategic models we built in my team that showed 2 years before the i-phone launch that it was coming (Apple was recruiting GSM RF design engineers and pinging chipset manufacturers), and what the long term impact would be. I distinctly recall being in a meeting withn the then CEO where we suggested a Microsoft or Openwave partnership, and the reply was: “The next person to suggest that will be fired on the spot”. How times have changed...

I hope Nokia survives, but it will never be the same.

[ShadowAce]

[ShadowAce]