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To: SeekAndFind
Because Microsoft (MSFT) and Nokia are now in bed together, moreover, Nokia’s problems have become Microsoft's problems. Microsoft is desperate to regain some of the ground it has lost to Apple and Google in smartphones. But its one major global partner, Nokia, is now drowning. So that puts Microsoft back at square one again.

Lazy journalism. That bit is wrong on so many levels.

# 1. Nokia was already drowning before their partnership with Microsoft. Symbian smartphone sales were already sharply down and falling even faster than before.

# 2. Nokia is already the biggest Windows Phone seller on the planet, having swiftly overtaken Samsung and HTC which started selling Windows Phones long before Nokia did. And Nokia’s Windows Phone sales have been going UP.

# 3. Before Windows Phone, Nokia smartphone sales in the US(on Symbian) were close to zero.

# 4. For the Launch month of April, and for May, the Nokia Lumia 900 was the top selling single smartpone model for AT&T-authorized resellers:
http://www.mobilebloom.com/nokia-lumia-900-4g-still-on-top-of-att-authorized-resellers-bestsellers-list/2215150/

# 5. On Amazon, only the upcoming launch of the super hyped, record selling in Europe(where its already been luanched) Sanmung Galaxy III, has been able to dislodge the Nokia Lumia 900 from the top seling position, where it's stood since the April Lumia 900 launch:
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Cell-Phones-Accessories-AT/zgbs/wireless/2422313011/ref=pd_ts_zgc_cps_2422313011_more?pf_rd_p=1279002702&pf_rd_s=right-3&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=2422313011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0BYJNDXXFDR85XZZW9F1

# 6. Samsung, HTC and the top Chinese smartphone maker ZTE are all doubling down on Windows Phone sets with the upcoming Windows Phone 8 release. Even the super hyped Samsung Galaxy III is rumoured to be releasing a Windows Phone 8 model come October:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/08/zte-tania-waves-windows-phone-flag-for-china-makes-official-mai/
http://www.everythingwm.com/zte-tania-coming-to-the-united-states-by-the-end-of-2012/2012/06/16/
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/mobile-phone/3354952/samsung-galaxy-s3-run-windows-8-in-october/

So its not as if Nokia is the only firm selling Windows Phones, in the very unlikely event of Nokia gong down in flames.

# 7. Nokia got UPGRADED by analysts following the cost cutting announcement, and the stock actually went UP, the day after the announcement, following the analyst upgrades:

Analysts upgrade Nokia after plans for layoffs, plant closings; look to Windows 8 phones
http://www.newser.com/article/d9vdmeko0/analysts-upgrade-nokia-after-plans-for-layoffs-plant-closings-look-to-windows-8-phones.html

32 posted on 06/17/2012 8:35:56 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

What I get from all these links you have provided is this — Even if Nokia were to go bankrupt, it does not mean the end of Windows Phone?


35 posted on 06/17/2012 3:02:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: SmokingJoe
# 1. Nokia was already drowning before their partnership with Microsoft. Symbian smartphone sales were already sharply down and falling even faster than before.

No one is arguing THAT, Joe.

# 2. Nokia is already the biggest Windows Phone seller on the planet, having swiftly overtaken Samsung and HTC which started selling Windows Phones long before Nokia did. And Nokia’s Windows Phone sales have been going UP.

And despite your claims, Nokia is laying off 10,000 more of its workforce NOW and its status as an investment has just been lowered to JUNK status! That does not say much for the white knight saving ability of the sales of these Windows phones you are toutin, does it?

# 3. Before Windows Phone, Nokia smartphone sales in the US(on Symbian) were close to zero.

And Sales without profit is sending good money after bad. What sales they were getting was coming from giving large sales bonuses to the sales force for pushing Nokia Windows phones over other competing models.

# 4. For the Launch month of April, and for May, the Nokia Lumia 900 was the top selling single smartpone model for AT&T-authorized resellers: http://www.mobilebloom.com/nokia-lumia-900-4g-still-on-top-of-att-authorized-resellers-bestsellers-list/2215150/

"Resellers?" think about that qualifier, Joe. No AT&T-authorized reseller has ever been permitted to sell Apple iPhones. None. Only Apple is qualified to contract with a third party to authorize reselling. . . and those that it has have seen nearly the same overwhelming percentages of iPhone sales that AT&T and Verizon have reported, blowing away Windows AND Android phones in the US for those carriers.

# 5. On Amazon, only the upcoming launch of the super hyped, record selling in Europe(where its already been luanched) Sanmung Galaxy III, has been able to dislodge the Nokia Lumia 900 from the top seling position, where it's stood since the April Lumia 900 launch: http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Cell-Phones-Accessories-AT/zgbs/wireless/2422313011/ref=pd_ts_zgc_cps_2422313011_more?pf_rd_p=1279002702&pf_rd_s=right-3&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=2422313011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0BYJNDXXFDR85XZZW9F1

LOL... Again, your vaunted Windows phone is only number 5 and 9 after other makers' Android phones on a list that includes NO Apple phones because, as before, Amazon is NOT an authorized iPhone reseller so they won't be counted!

# 6. Samsung, HTC and the top Chinese smartphone maker ZTE are all doubling down on Windows Phone sets with the upcoming Windows Phone 8 release. Even the super hyped Samsung Galaxy III is rumoured to be releasing a Windows Phone 8 model come October:

Rumors get you nothing. Nada. Zip.

# 7. Nokia got UPGRADED by analysts following the cost cutting announcement, and the stock actually went UP, the day after the announcement, following the analyst upgrades:

Again, LOL! Two out of over fifty analyst gave luke warm reviews... One to a mere perform from neutral, the other from sell to neutral, and you are cheering???? Those two were still pessimistic but willing to wait and see... And it was about the SURVIVAL of Nokia, not that it would suddenly grow stupendously because of hitching its wagon to Windows rising star.

36 posted on 06/17/2012 5:42:14 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: SmokingJoe; Swordmaker
I'll add to Swordmaker's great comments:

Nokia is already the biggest Windows Phone seller on the planet, having swiftly overtaken Samsung and HTC which started selling Windows Phones long before Nokia did.

Mainly because both of those manufacturers switched to the much more desired Android for most of their products. Many are looking back at Windows now that Microsoft demands several dollars per phone in royalties for non-Windows sales.

For the Launch month of April, and for May, the Nokia Lumia 900 was the top selling single smartpone model for AT&T-authorized resellers:

Aside from the fact that your criteria eliminates competition from the iPhone, that's probably because the 900 sucked so bad they started giving it away for free. Fact is, the iPhone 4S was recently the best seller for AT&T, Sprint and Verizon.

Nokia got UPGRADED by analysts following the cost cutting announcement, and the stock actually went UP, the day after the announcement, following the analyst upgrades

That does tend to happen regardless of the long-term viability of the company. Let's see if Microsoft kills Nokia like they tried to kill Orange.

37 posted on 06/17/2012 11:14:04 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: SmokingJoe

Windows Phone 8 in detail: new Start Screen, multi-core support, VoIP integration, and NFC

Developers will be able to build games for Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 at the same time

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/20/3096667/windows-phone-8-screenshots-features-nfc-start-screen-dual-core/in/2865586

Nokia’s mapping technology coming to Windows Phone 8
http://news.yahoo.com/nokia-mapping-technology-coming-windows-phone-8-164608062.html


42 posted on 06/20/2012 10:34:49 AM PDT by Viiksitimali
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To: SmokingJoe; SeekAndFind
For the Launch month of April, and for May, the Nokia Lumia 900 was the top selling single smartpone model for AT&T-authorized resellers:

Did you hear the latest news? Those Lumia phones will NOT be upgradeable to Windows 8. All of those unfortunate people bought orphaned phones.

43 posted on 06/20/2012 2:45:39 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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