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VANITY: Is Mormonism Christian or is it not?
Vanity ^ | 2-10-2012 | Vanity

Posted on 02/10/2012 12:14:55 PM PST by OKSooner

Is it a fair question to ask... Is Mormonism Christian or is it not?

If you care enough to respond and tell me it's not a fair question, please explain why not.


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To: Tennessee Nana; fso301
The gospel or doctrine of Christ teaches that salvation is available through his authorized servants to all who will (1) believe in Christ; (2) repent of their sins; (3) be baptized in water as a witness of their willingness to take his name upon them and keep his commandments; (4) receive the Holy Ghost by the laying-on of hands; and (5) endure to the end.

I see no problem with any of that serious enough to say such believer is not a Christian.

It would be kind of hard to see, I agree, for there is nothing in that statement that shows what MORMONism has ADDED to the requirements.

Up until 9/10/2001, THESE folks probably led exemplary lives, too.

221 posted on 02/12/2012 5:36:27 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: whattajoke

{snicker}


222 posted on 02/12/2012 5:37:52 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: OKSooner
I hope there's only one individual suffering this way and no more.

Drat!

If you have the ability to psychoanalize one nameless person; then you SURELY could detect any others...

223 posted on 02/12/2012 5:40:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Seriously, I would like to know when the edict went out. What else was going on at that time? Why the sudden shift from proud Mormons to “Christians”?


224 posted on 02/12/2012 5:42:29 PM PST by bonfire
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To: Elsie
Actually it's kinda obvious. I started an innocent vanity thread trying to edify myself and then the next thing I knew I was being called a Romneybot and other stuff too by someone clearly has some kind of problem.

Sorry if the person involved is a friend of yours. You might suggest that they get help.

225 posted on 02/12/2012 5:50:35 PM PST by OKSooner (Today's new tagline. Tomorrow's new tagline pending.)
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To: Vigilanteman
He was driven out of the Massachusetts Bay Colony by the same Puritan element who later conducted the Salem Witch Trials because they considered Baptists a cult. That's why genuine Baptists are emphatic in defending the rights of Mormons (or any other group) to worship as they believe.

Ann Glover, an Irish slave, was the last woman to be hanged as a witch. During the trial Coton Mather called Glover "a scandalous old Irishwoman, very poor, a Roman Catholick and obstinate in idolatry."

That said, I always find Baptists to have a deep hatred toward the Catholic Church. Why so?

226 posted on 02/12/2012 6:09:55 PM PST by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Elsie

If you have the ability to psychoanalize one nameless person; then you SURELY could detect any others...
_____________________________________________

With that kind of ability no questions about Mormonism would have been necessary...

The all knowing one would have just...

well known...


227 posted on 02/12/2012 6:52:17 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: OKSooner

So,,,,, are you a Christian or a Mormon?

You already knew the answer to your vanity thread so what was the point?


228 posted on 02/12/2012 7:44:48 PM PST by bonfire
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To: OKSooner
Actually it's kinda obvious. I started an innocent vanity thread trying to edify myself and then the next thing I knew I was being called a Romneybot and other stuff too by someone clearly has some kind of problem.
 
 
HMMMmmm...
 
To me; your #129 is a bit confusing, since I've no reference to what that something in the PRIVATE mail was all about.
Will you two agree to post it in the open for all to see?
 
 
 




 
 
 
 
 
 
To: Vigilanteman

Tell ya what Mormon RomneyBot..  <--- First mention

56 posted on Friday, February 10, 2012 4:13:38 PM by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)

 

 

 

 

 

To: OKSooner

Please stop sending me FReepMail...

If you have something to say to me say it in the open thread...

As I cannot address anything you say to me in a FReepMail I must at this time refrain from commenting...

If you desire an answer to your FReepMail queries please repeat them here in the thread...

Yours Sincerely,

Tennessee Nana
Christian

126 posted on Saturday, February 11, 2012 1:25:07 PM by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)

 



To: Tennessee Nana

Your grace and your kindness are exceeded only by your sense of discretion.

129 posted on Saturday, February 11, 2012 3:46:19 PM by OKSooner (Today's new tagline. Tomorrow's new tagline pending.)


To: OKSooner

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Love Bomb flattery...

You want something...

Ok so what is it you need ???

a hug ???

RomneyBots must get lonely with nothing to talk to...   <--- Second mention

an empty suit is not much for company...

130 posted on Saturday, February 11, 2012 3:53:30 PM by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
 
 
 
 
 

229 posted on 02/12/2012 7:47:01 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: OKSooner
You might suggest that they get help.

I'd need a list of symptoms first; before I can suggest medication.

230 posted on 02/12/2012 7:47:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana

You two seem to have some kind of disagreement here.

Let’s resolve it.


231 posted on 02/12/2012 7:49:13 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Owl558
None of it serves Christ. You don’t save souls by calling people cultists, tearing them down, and all but accusing them of satan worship. If the Christian Mormon bashers on this thread are right, we have an obligation to work at saving the souls of our lost Mormon brothers and sisters with LOVE like JESUS taught us, not venom like I see here.

You want to keep attacking Protestant Christians, particularly Evangelicals, while defending the non-Christian religion of Mormonism.

The Catholic church knows those Protestants as fellow Christians, just as they make clear that Mormonism is a non-Christian religion created by Joseph Smith.

Protestants, especially Evangelicals seem to be doing most of the work to save those Mormons by openly challenging the cult as attempting to deceive people into thinking that they are a Christian denomination, and fighting for their victim's souls.

That serves Christ. Fight to expose Mormonism, not to quiet those who strive to expose it.

232 posted on 02/12/2012 10:53:14 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Elsie

LOL! True dat!

Cheers


233 posted on 02/12/2012 11:29:18 PM PST by DoctorBulldog (Obama Sucks!!!)
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To: Vigilanteman
That's why genuine Baptists are emphatic in defending the rights of Mormons (or any other group) to worship as they believe. And the phony variety are just as emphatic in condemning them to hell and denouncing them as a cult.

You kinda played some Mormon like twisty game with your words there. My guess is the Baptists were very much against Polygamy, and we know that Baptists agree that Mormonism is not Christian.

Genuine Baptists, as all other Christian denominations, support the legal rights of Mormons except for the polygamy, which Christian America forced the Mormons to end. but like all Christians, they also know that Mormonism is not Christian.

234 posted on 02/13/2012 12:23:44 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Elsie

Sure. You’re probably still unable to answer yes or no, so I’ll try not to address you.


235 posted on 02/13/2012 6:08:00 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: Vigilanteman

You know, you can defend the rights of a group to worship as they please, and denounce them as a cult at the same time, right? There’s no inherent contradiction there.


236 posted on 02/13/2012 10:09:46 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: stuartcr; Jeff Head
You’re probably still unable to answer yes or no, so I’ll try not to address you.

You seem to have me confused with Jeff Head, or the dearly departed ones: Paragon Defender, or Resty, or Saundra Duffy.

Perhaps you are thinking of ol' Bob: Professor Millet.


 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."


237 posted on 02/13/2012 10:12:03 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ansel12

“You want to keep attacking Protestant Christians, particularly Evangelicals...”

Sadly, I’ve been attacked by evengelicals many, many times about my Catholic faith - I am in a cult, not a REAL Christian, I don’t pray correctly, etc. etc. ad nauseam. I am probably overly defensive about it.

Having been on the receiving end of such venom, I know how it looks/feels from the other side. It hardens your heart, as opposed to opening it to the Spirit. Notice how my critisism of Protestant zeal provoked strong feelings of being attacked in you.

I always think of firery Peter cutting the ear off the high priest’s slave when they came to take Jesus. Poor Peter couldn’t help himself. Yet, violently protecting his Lord didn’t necessarily serve God’s plan either. Peter was still struggling to become the rock upon which the church would be built.

My goal is not to quiet anybody, but to suggest that the approach to saving souls could be more Christ-like and loving. I think folks would respond better.

If you believe that I have sinned against you or anybody else, I ask forgiveness. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ still struggling to be rocks like St. Peter.


238 posted on 02/13/2012 11:30:03 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Owl558

Again you choose to attack fellow Christians while defending and trying to protect the anti-Christian cult of Mormonism.

You might not know this, but the most open, consistent Catholic participation on Mormon threads, is in support of Mormonism, it flies in the face of your churches teachings on the matter.

Did you know that Mormon freepers have converted to Christianity as a result of these discussions here, which you want to stop, other Mormon freepers were converted by ‘zealous Christians’, outside of freerepublic.

What you label as Christian zeal, saves souls. Most of the real Christian zeal you see here, is from freepers who have escaped the anti-Christian cult.


239 posted on 02/13/2012 12:04:22 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Owl558
Peter was still struggling to become the rock upon which the church would be built.

And you wonder why PROTESTANTs get on your case??


No 'venom'; just Scripture


 
Is Peter the 'rock'?
 


NIV Matthew 4:18-19
 18.  As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen.
 19.  "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."
 
NIV Matthew 8:14
  When Jesus came into Peter's house, he saw Peter's mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever.
 
NIV Matthew 10:1-2
 1.  He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil  spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
 2.  These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John;
 
NIV Matthew 14:28-31
 28.  "Lord, if it's you," Peter replied, "tell me to come to you on the water."
 29.  "Come," he said.   Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus.
 30.  But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, "Lord, save me!"
 31.  Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. "You of little faith," he said, "why did you doubt?"
 
NIV Matthew 15:13-16
 13.  He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots.
 14.  Leave them; they are blind guides.  If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
 15.  Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."
 16.  "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.
 

As you can see, Simon was already known as 'Peter'
BEFORE the following verses came along.....


NIV Matthew 16:13-18
 13.  When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
 14.  They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
 15.  "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
 16.  Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,  the Son of the living God."
 17.  Jesus replied, "
Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
 18.  And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades  will not overcome it.
 19.  I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be  bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

NIV 1 Corinthians 10:4
   and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
 
NIV Luke 6:48
   He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.
 
NIV Romans 9:33
  As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
 
 
 
NIV 1 Peter 2:4-8
 4.  As you come to him, the living Stone--rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him--
 5.  you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
 6.  For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
 7.  Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, "
 8.  and, "A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for.


But, since there WAS no NT at the time Christ spoke to Peter, just what DID Peter and the rest of the Disciples know about ROCKS???

 

NIV Genesis 49:24-25
 24.  But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob, because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,
 25.  because of your father's God, who helps you, because of the Almighty,  who blesses you with blessings of the heavens above, blessings of the deep that lies below, blessings of the breast and womb.
 
NIV Numbers 20:8
   "Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink."
 
NIV Deuteronomy 32:4
  He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
 
NIV Deuteronomy 32:15
   Jeshurun  grew fat and kicked; filled with food, he became heavy and sleek. He abandoned the God who made him and rejected the Rock his Savior.
 
NIV Deuteronomy 32:18
  You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.
 
NIV Deuteronomy 32:30-31
 30.  How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless the LORD had given them up?
 31.  For their rock is not like our Rock, as even our enemies concede.
 
NIV 1 Samuel 2:2
  "There is no one holy  like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.
 
NIV 2 Samuel 22:2-3
 2.  He said: "The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer;
 3.  my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn  of my salvation. He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior-- from violent men you save me.
 
NIV 2 Samuel 22:32
  For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
 
NIV 2 Samuel 22:47
  "The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God, the Rock, my Savior!
 
NIV 2 Samuel 23:3-4
 3.  The God of Israel spoke, the Rock of Israel said to me: `When one rules over men in righteousness, when he rules in the fear of God,
 4.  he is like the light of morning at sunrise on a cloudless morning, like the brightness after rain that brings the grass from the earth.'
 
NIV Psalms 18:2
  The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn  of my salvation, my stronghold.
 
NIV Psalms 18:31
   For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
 
NIV Psalms 18:46
  The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Savior!
 
NIV Psalms 19:14
   May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.
 
NIV Psalms 28:1
   To you I call, O LORD my Rock; do not turn a deaf ear to me. For if you remain silent, I will be like those who have gone down to the pit.
 
NIV Psalms 31:2-3
 2.  Turn your ear to me, come quickly to my rescue; be my rock of refuge, a strong fortress to save me.
 3.  Since you are my rock and my fortress, for the sake of your name lead and guide me.
 
NIV Psalms 42:9
   I say to God my Rock, "Why have you forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy?"
 
NIV Psalms 62:2
   He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken.
 
NIV Psalms 62:6
   He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will not be shaken.
 
NIV Psalms 62:7
   My salvation and my honor depend on God ; he is my mighty rock, my refuge.
 
NIV Psalms 71:3
   Be my rock of refuge, to which I can always go; give the command to save me, for you are my rock and my fortress.
 
NIV Psalms 78:35
   They remembered that God was their Rock, that God Most High was their Redeemer.
 
NIV Psalms 89:26
   He will call out to me, `You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Savior.'
 
NIV Psalms 92:14-15
 14.  They will still bear fruit in old age, they will stay fresh and green,
 15.  proclaiming, "The LORD is upright; he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him."
 
NIV Psalms 95:1
   Come, let us sing for joy to the LORD; let us shout aloud to the Rock of our salvation.
 
NIV Psalms 144:1
   Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.
 
NIV Isaiah 17:10
   You have forgotten God your Savior; you have not remembered the Rock, your fortress.
 
NIV Isaiah 26:4
   Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD, the LORD, is the Rock eternal.
 
NIV Isaiah 30:29
 And you will sing as on the night you celebrate a holy festival; your hearts will rejoice as when people go up with flutes to the mountain of the LORD, to the Rock of Israel.
 
NIV Isaiah 44:8
   Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one." 
 
NIV Habakkuk 1:12
   O LORD, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy One, we will not die. O LORD, you have appointed them to execute judgment; O Rock, you have ordained them to punish.

.....No other rock.............
 
And now you know the Biblical position!


240 posted on 02/13/2012 12:51:14 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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