Posted on 02/10/2012 12:14:55 PM PST by OKSooner
Is it a fair question to ask... Is Mormonism Christian or is it not?
If you care enough to respond and tell me it's not a fair question, please explain why not.
... I'm also particularly interested in the opinion of the Lutheran, Catholic, and Charismatic members of FR.
More important than a sectarian 'ping' is an answer from The Word of God, incorporating a greater precision than available in most versions. From that, my position is as follows:
The passage answering this, taken in context, is from 2 Cor. 11:4, and the key is that two Greek words are both translated as "another" by the KJV, the Douay-Rheims, and (in Latin) the Vulgate. But both Textus Receptus and the critical text give two words (transliterated) -- "allos" and "heteros". Here's the comparison:
"allos" is more precisely "an other-one of the same kind"
"heteros" is more precisely "an other-one of a different kind"
So a translation of the Greek would give a better sense as if to a 1st century Corinthian who read this passage from Paul's original epistle, about a tolerance of an unacceptable professor and doctrine:
"For if he that cometh (continuously) preacheth an other-Jesus (of the same kind), whom we have not preached (to you), or if you-all (are in the process of) receive(ing) an other-spirit (of a different kind), which you-all have not (up to now) received, or an other-gospel (of a different kind), to which you-all was unacceptable, you-all might (very) well put up with (or tolerate) him/it.
Other posts to this thread have correctly shown that the Jesus depicted by Mormons is not even another Jesus of the same kind -- is not a Biblical Jesus -- their creature they call Jesus is another Jesus of a different kind.
Furthermore, their spirit is not The Comforter/Advocate of the same kind (allon paraklayton) as the true Biblical Jesus (spoken of by The Christ as in John 14:16), and cannot be.
Additionally, the Gospel they proclaim is not the Gospel which Paul calls "my Gospel," because it is the one taught him directly by The Christ when Paul was secluded in the Arabian desert. (Note: Jesus Christ discipled Paul for about three years similarly as He schooled the other disciples in the fine points of His doctrine. Neither Paul's gospel nor his doctrine was different than that of the other disciples. What placed him on the same tier and footing as a unique, Christ-selected primary eyewitness apostle was that he did not learn it second-hand from the other apostles -- he learned it directly from The Christ as did they. Importantly though, the other Apostles knew him, checked him out, approved him, and even allowed themselves on occasion to be upbraided by him. But his doctrine is the same doctrine preached by John, Peter, Levi, and was taught to the second generation of disciples. Joseph Smith could not, would not, nor could he ever be considered to have these qualifications for an apostle or prophet, regardless of his self-claimed "revelation." The giving of The God's entire, complete, perfect special revelation of His Plan of Redemption, and Coming of The Messiah and His Kingdom of Righteousness and Peace, was through the writing of eyewitness Apostles and their amanuenses by inspiration of the Holy Ghost. The outpouring was concluded at the death of Apostle John The Theologian. No exceptions. No Mohammed. No Allah. No Koran. No Joseph Smith. No goggles. No Book of Mormon. The Old Covenant/Will is finished and dead. No more blood sacrifices. The New Covenant/Will is still in effect. There is only one Name given among humans by which one must be saved -- Jesus, the Yeshua of the Bible.)
Paul's Gospel is one that is of a priceless salvation through total fealty to The Christ, the Lord of us, and His Faith and His faithfulness alone, totally apart from and not confused or earned with any human works, and purchased with the Untarnishable Currency of His Ever-Living, Everlasting Blood, by a Sacrifice once done at the Cross, presented to The Father at the Mercy Seat in The Heaven, accepted, and never to be repeated -- only memorialized forever.
This is not the gospel of the followers of Joseph Smith -- their gospel is another one of a different kind.
So, the fear of Paul was not that truly regenerated disciple-believers would fall away from The Faith themselves through being deceived. It was that they would lend credence to the phony christs, lying spirits, unsavory gospels, and twisted doctrines of false prophets by permitting them to be tolerated and associated with them. No, such men were to be ushered out and kept at a country mile from an established locally assembled Candlestick of Christ.
Mormons, JWs, Unitarians, and others like them have another christ of a different kind, are easily discernible, and may -- yea, must -- be kept totally separate. Paul was not worried about these. What did cause him concern was those who have another Christ of the same kind; but whose gospel is an earn-your-way-to-heaven, second-chance-after-death, supererogatory, seeking-after-God, "works"-necessary-salvation gospel. Those were to be purged, put out of association, and separated from. The spirit of this gospel is not very comforting if it is possible that The God's gift can be lost.(Here read 2 Cor. 6:14-7:1)
The God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ desires pure worshippers, to worship Him in The Spirit and in The Truth, holding to The Faith. Not everyone who names His Name is necessarily of His Own. Be careful in selecting with whom you associate, as affecting His reputation among the lost humans.
Finally, we are each to be in the process of examining our own selves, scrutinizing to see if we are continually representative of The Faith, the whole Faith, and nothing but The Faith (2 Cor. 13:5,6). Never come to the Remembrance Table with unconfessed and/or unabandoned sin in view.
Does this begin to answer your question? Are you of the Company of the Committed? Will you act upon it?
God has caught Mormans and JWs and placed them outside my door. I have gone out and taught them, and they have my addressed marked off -- they do not come by any more.
Kid?? What a fine Christian example you are. Your command of the English language is also consistent with the level of intellect the left portrays Christians as having.
You want I call you the nasty names that the Mormons call me ???
Meanwhile you said
“If upon hearing the Gospel Message from a Mormon missionary”
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So lets hear it so we can judge for ourseves...
Amen.
And Mormonism has the audacity to claim that “there is another gospel of Jesus Christ”....at least nowadays they are being straightforward about that blantant disregard for Galatians 1.
Since I'm not a Mormon missionary, I can't say but from Brigham Young's website, I find the following:
The gospel or doctrine of Christ teaches that salvation is available through his authorized servants to all who will (1) believe in Christ; (2) repent of their sins; (3) be baptized in water as a witness of their willingness to take his name upon them and keep his commandments; (4) receive the Holy Ghost by the laying-on of hands; and (5) endure to the end.I see no problem with any of that serious enough to say such believer is not a Christian.
according to the bible... yes.
I am sorry Normandy, but it doesn’t matter what you call yourself, there is only way to be saved, please read a real bible ( I like the NIV, it’s pretty easy to understand) and learn the truth, pray for God to open your eyes and seek the truth, and you will find it.
I do know they pray to Mary.
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It is easy to find the Eastern Orthodox calling Mormonism a "Cult", the Catholic Church makes it very clear that Mormons are not Christians, while Protestant and Evangelical churches agree with that, which Evangelical churches actually use the word "Cult"?
Yes we do. Without apology.
was just making the point of something that isn’t biblical again. It is terrible, but I don’t think heaven is going to be a very heavily populated place, by the amount of deceived people on earth today.
we have a lot of conservative Mormons. Whatever be their faith, that's separate from their politics.
For me #1 is getting Obama out.
I dislike Romney as a RINO, his religion doesn't even come to play compared to his waffling.
Our religious discussion should be put at rest until after Obama is kicked out.
Mary’s not biblical?
Why?
because we don’t want Mormons to sit out the election or worse vote for Obama.
She’s in the bible, she’s not what catholics say she is. She cannot intercede on our behalf, or receive our prayers. It’s very clear she had more than one child, and she says she was a sinner like everyone else. The catholics take things to an entirely different non-biblical level when they elevate her to queen of heaven and such things, in 1965 she was named mother of God. God does not have a mother, he has no timeline. Mary does. There a lot of teachings (traditions) that Christ warned us about that the RC church does. Honestly though, not all catholics know everything that the church teaches, and when lots find out, they become Christians and leave.
You have no idea of my education on these matters. I’m well educated in the teachings of many faiths and I stand by my remarks. I’m a devout Christian with a strong education in Biblical studies at a large Baptist university. You have your opinion and I have mine. You deserve no further response from me and will get none.
Why?
because we don’t want Mormons to sit out the election or worse vote for Obama.
Mormons are a miniscule portion of the voting population, I don't care what they do. If they get in a snit because their candidate is not nominated because their religion has been exposed as a satanic cult, then so be it. The liberal Romney needs to be squashed and the sooner the better.
If he's beaten because he's a cultist, why should I care? The objective will have been accomplished. The only positive I see about him running is that his evil religion is being exposed for what it is.
You seem to be of the opinion that it would be better to win the presidency with Romney than not win at all. I do not share that opinion and will never vote for him, not in the primary and not in the general and I'm far from alone in that opinion.
People all over the world are being educated about mormonism and that's a good thing, the more people who see the truth, the more they will know to run from the evil that is snaring souls as I type. I pray that those in the cult of mormonism will also see the light and accept the Jesus of the bible as Lord and Savior.
Our religious discussion should never be stifled, for any reason.
Here's a relevant quote from F.R. member "Zakeet that is direct and to the point I'm making, concerning the cult of mormonism, just a few of their lies:
There are more gods than the one God revealed in the Bible.
God is a glorified, perfected human being with a body of flesh and bone.
God is polygamously married to dozens (at least) of wives, and spends eternity as a type of Celestial Stud engaged in endless copulation producing countless spirit babies.
Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer.
Jesus is the literal Son of God who was conceived through direct sexual intercourse between the Virgin Mary and God the Father -- or in other words, that God committed incest with his daughter Mary.
A person is saved into heaven by virtue of their good works.
A person must accept Joseph Smith in order to receive salvation. A person must pass in judgment before Joseph Smith before being admitted into Heaven.
A person must believe in Prophet Lorenzo Snow's famous couplet: As man now is, God once was ... As God now is, Man may become.
Non-whites are loathsome and cursed because of something they did or did not do in the dawn of pre-existence whereas people of European descent in general, and Mormons in particular, are white and delightsome.
A person must aspire to be sealed in a Masonic-based temple ceremony to his/her spouse for time and all eternity so that they may someday become gods and goddesses ruling over our own planet.
Wives will only be resurrected if their husbands call forth their Temple Name from beyond the veil.
Christianity ceased to exist after the death of the twelve apostles, to the point where all Christian Churches (especially the Baptists, Catholics, Methodists and Presbyterians) are an abomination to the Lord.
The Mormon Church is Christian.
Furthermore, I can't believe that any true Christian anywhere would ever contemplate supporting any candidate for any public office that espouses such horrible heretical and blasphemous doctrines -- be they Muslim, Mormon, or whatever.
In my case, if asked to uphold one cultist or the other, I will always support neither, no matter what the cost or penalty.
All of the above is quoting Zakeet, except that I put the last paragraph in bold type to emphasize that I agree 100%.
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