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Economics 101: 12 Aircraft Battle Groups
September 11, 2011 | Scotsman

Posted on 09/11/2011 9:40:45 AM PDT by Scotsman

The United States of America has a combined services military staffed with our best and brightest men and women that is the most powerful on earth - by any quantifiable measure. That military and the men and women serving and having served stood an unbroken line since 1776 and have protected and defended this country against all threats for two hundred and thirty five years. No other country on this earth has that ability, and none have the economic wherewithall to build and maintain those military assets on a scale to match it.

Our CV and CVN battle groups, our nuclear ballistic submarine fleet, an Air Force that can deliver everything from small kenetic payloads within centimeters of their target to nuclear weapons that can take out a city or country, as needed. An Army that can reach out and touch a terrorist in his cave, a Naval Seal Team that makes housecalls to terrorist mansions - a 21st Century military that can and does deliver specialized forms of deserved terror death and destruction to our enemies wherever they may be, on an as-needed basis.

How We, the World, and the world's economies got into this global financial crisis is now secondary to how, on a global basis, to protect assets against collapse. Collapse of individual financial institutions and entire countries' financial and debt structures. Even the ongoing collapse of fiat currencies and society itself, if people in positions of power continue to act only in their self interest and not in the interest of the economies under their control.

If you are wondering why United States government debt instruments continue to go up in price as their cooresponding interest rates drop in the face of a banking and debt crisis in this country, or why the stock market is both historically volitile and not completely crashing just yet, or why gold, oil, silver and other commodities are rising almost parabolic on the charts, you only have to read the first two paragraphs above. There is your answer.

Capital in all forms is flooding into the United States. The money flows this past Summer have been breathtaking in their volume as fear, panic and realization that, from a capital point of view, it is now every euro, pound, yuan or yen for itself. Protection is being saught as quickly as the funds can be transfered.

The "smart" money has done the above math and is moving from seeking a return on the money in the form of interest, to finding a safe haven where the future return of the money itself is at least possible, if not probable. No other country on earth can offer that potential future, because of the above math.

The solutions to the golbal financial crisis envolve all of us. There are many facets to the solution, and it envolves politics, economics, policy and pain. A lot of individuals have already lost money and many more will before this is over. Currencies will collapse and societies will become more chaotic as basic services throughout the world run out of operating cash.

People have died and others will die because of this crisis. Societies will eventually reorder and financial systems will reconstitute. Remember, though, that no matter how bad it gets here in this country, and how bad it gets for you individually - it will be infinitely worse in any other country on earth.

The United States of America and the three hundred plus million free citizens that make up the heart and treasure of this country will survive and eventually prosper, and be the guiding light that leads the world out of this financial darkness. How long it will take and how, exactly it will be accomplished is up to our leaders, and the populace's ability to select the right ones.

It is at that point that it becomes your responsibility to understand the above and choose wisely over the next years, not choosing a leader that promises you something for nothing, but leaders that understand all the above, and display their understanding openly through their record, their actions, and their deeds. A leader that understands the military part of the math, with the character and fortitude to earn the respect due a Commander-in-Chief by troops he or she will command in defence of America and it's people and their economy.

Choose wisely America, the world is depending upon you do to so.


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9/11/11 - For whatever reason, the memorials today, along with a long running discussion with a good friend about moving to some garden paradise/dunghole because it's just getting too 'unsafe' here, in America.

9/11 played a significant part in this in a surprising way - the premise was that no other country could do what we have done in the last 10 years in the War on Terror.

And no other country can offer what we offer today - the ultimate Safe Haven, by any measure you want to use.

1 posted on 09/11/2011 9:40:49 AM PDT by Scotsman
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To: Scotsman

For later.


2 posted on 09/11/2011 9:46:57 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Scotsman
Choose wisely America, the world is depending upon you do to so.

So the rest of the world is depending on us spending $700 billion a year on defense so that they don't have to?

3 posted on 09/11/2011 9:49:35 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo

Ron Paul? Is that you?


4 posted on 09/11/2011 9:59:25 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: SoJoCo
Couple things ...

First, the simple answer: Yes.

I don't know you, you don't know me, but one thing I am certain of ... if we had not already been spending at that pace for longer than you and I have been alive, our lives would be wildly different, if you and I even were to be alive today.

:)

5 posted on 09/11/2011 10:02:03 AM PDT by Scotsman
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To: Scotsman
I don't think any one weapon system should be sacrosanct but I don't think we should be cutting their budget one cent. The question in my mind, can the military let go of this traditional equipment and get more with the budget that they have. Because although I don't want to cut their budget, I don't want to increase it either.

But the way the geopolitical world works was driven by the might of America after the WWII with the help of her allies. Over the years, America has enforced these ideas.

Without the American Armed Forces, these agreements are nothing more than paper. The UN certainly will not enforce these ideas.

Some examples of Pre-WWII Geomagnetically Concepts that would return without the US Military:
1. Spoils of War - You get to keep what you take
2. Might Makes Right - If you have more fire power than your neighbor, you win regardless of what any agreement says
3. Pay to Play - You are a smaller country and you don't want to be harassed? Pay a tribute
4. Closed Seas - An empire can claim ownership over the entire ocean right up to the breakers

There are tons of other concepts, but anyone wanting these to come back, just cut the military budget.

China wants resources just to support their internal population and not even exports. They have a huge population.

These people need to think what China will do when they think they can take and keep resources forever by just marching across their border.

6 posted on 09/11/2011 10:07:54 AM PDT by dila813
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To: SoJoCo
Now the more complicated answer ...

Like it or not, we ARE the world's policeman. We didn't want to be, most of us living our day-to-day lives don't understand all the ‘whys’ of it and don't really like it all that much.

Not all that many of us have stood on the bridge of a CVN and observed full war operations - all we know is that it seems horribly expensive.

But we got elected to the position. This summer, people, companies and governments around the world voted ...

... with their money.

7 posted on 09/11/2011 10:10:25 AM PDT by Scotsman
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To: Scotsman
First, the simple answer: Yes.

When countries like the UK or France or Sweden get overrun by Muslim extremists, and people flap their hands and wonder how the people there can let that happen, I'm reminded of the words of Thomas Paine:

"Tyranny like hell is not easily conquered yet we have this consolation with us, the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."

People who get their liberties handed to them or have them protected by others don't value them enough to fight for them themselves. If the rest of the world wants to disband their ability to defend themselves, relying on just one country to carry their water for them, then they deserve exactly what they get.

8 posted on 09/11/2011 10:11:24 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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SoJoCo, you are seeing that happen in real time.

The European Social Experiment failed and they found themselves out of money and with minimal defenses. The price for all that is being paid as we type.

This time, as your quote elegantly points out ...

... their freedom will cost them.

9 posted on 09/11/2011 10:24:23 AM PDT by Scotsman
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

The only people that ever reset a depression society, eliminate toxic assets and reset the economy bringing back jobs without a prolong recession was Hitler and Mussolini. Pres Coolidge would be the other but his model may not apply today because the America he dealt with was simple and gov small. Hitler and Mussolini had to deal with large gov and chaotic society. IMHO Pres Coolidge can use democracy and free market to help US get out of post WW1 depression, but in our large gov and diverse/complicated society this may not work as special interest will tie up Congress. This is what Mussolini and Hitler faced. Result was the situation had to be resolved thru a dictatorship.
I think if SHTF gov authority will emerge from democracy to dictatorship. That may be something freepers and preppers may have to deal with, especially if the dictatorship re establishes law and order, reset the banking debt and reset the economy with recovery and jobs. Hitler did it, to some extent Mussolini did it and Imperial Japan of the 1930’s did it. They were so successful that leading intellects actually wondered if democracy was no longer viable.
Imagine if one of the three did not waste the achievements on a world war and became one of the intact manufacturing centers of post WW2 like the US?? Modern world history would be different.


10 posted on 09/11/2011 10:28:11 AM PDT by Fee
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To: dila813
dila813 ...

... our military is adapting technology very rapidly, in some instances even driving the technology.

UAVs of all sorts. Etc.

:)

11 posted on 09/11/2011 10:30:10 AM PDT by Scotsman
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To: Scotsman; SoJoCo

Great post, Scotsman.

SoJoCo, our present enemies are the Muslim extremists and Communism in South America, Cuba, Russia, and China. All would love to destroy us. In addition, China is in an expansionist mood and they are quickly growing their military, especially the navy. Why do they need a larger navy? It is not to protect themselves for no one is threatening them. They need it to expand to other shores and to take over raw materials and additional territory. They intend to do that.

If the Muslims take over Europe and the once Great Britain. it is not just, well, too bad Europe. There are several large militaries in Europe and all of them have nuclear weapons. The Muslims love death because of their backward religion and killing us would be the biggest honor they think they can achieve for Allah. That would be a severe threat to you and to me.

Wake up! The time we could be a Fortress America and stay within our own shores has long passed.


12 posted on 09/11/2011 10:30:15 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Scotsman

They are, and they need to do more of it faster with the money they have and reallocate as it is proven.


13 posted on 09/11/2011 11:16:45 AM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

dila, you can’t spell,lol!


14 posted on 09/11/2011 11:17:48 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
If the Muslims take over Europe and the once Great Britain. it is not just, well, too bad Europe. There are several large militaries in Europe and all of them have nuclear weapons. The Muslims love death because of their backward religion and killing us would be the biggest honor they think they can achieve for Allah. That would be a severe threat to you and to me.

If the people in Europe are not willing to defend themselves from the Muslim hordes then we can't do it for them. As much as they would apparently like us to. They have to step up to the plate and contribute to their own security. They apparently don't want to. Instead people expect us to do it in their stead. That isn't in our best interests.

15 posted on 09/11/2011 11:27:31 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Scotsman

Excellent post. Saved, printed, emailed.

Thank you.


16 posted on 09/11/2011 11:34:28 AM PDT by papasmurf (0bama...just doing the job Americans won't do.)
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To: SoJoCo
So the rest of the world is depending on us spending $700 billion a year on defense so that they don't have to?

Yes

Note Japan.

17 posted on 09/11/2011 11:44:02 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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If the people in Europe are not willing to defend themselves from the Muslim hordes then we can't do it for them.

I totally agree with you. They sowed it, they need to reap it. We can't protect them from that. Not willing? I bet they will be very soon, when they find out there ain't no US Cavalry coming over the hill this time. We're a little busy over here, right now.

As an aside, I'd like to point out this thread is one of the best and most thoughtful I've seen here in a while...and it's a "vanity."

18 posted on 09/11/2011 11:58:12 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: Last Dakotan
Japan and Germany are the two lowest for obvious historical reasons.

However, they will have to get beyond the past and face present realities.

19 posted on 09/11/2011 12:23:18 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Fee

Fee — while your observations are true to a large degree, Hitler and Mussolini did not drag their economies out of a depression and into successful Capitalist nations engaged in free trade and laissez-faire economics. And their nations did not emerge to give their people choices — or liberties — either in the economic or the political sense.

When Coolidge set in motion his reformsm his goal was to return us to the Constitution, to simple principles of capitalism, representative democracy based on the documents that formed the foundations of our Constitutional Republic.

Hitler and Mussolini first perverted their labor and/or corporate sectors of society (corporatism -—> Fascism) and then moved toward a form of government control of both the labor force and corporations. Then throw in the nationalist fervor of the Germans (Aryan superiority) and the Italians to their Roman past, and that’s the very definition of National Socialism or “Nazism” that was epitomized Hitlers Germany and Mussolini’s Fascist Italy. It’s also somewhat similar to the Corporatist structure being constructed by the Washington regime today in this nation (as well as FDR’s “New Deal” and FDR’s “Great Society” for that matter).

You’re right — we can’t turn America around easily by working through the system — elections, Congress, legislation, etc. HOWEVER, to think that a dictatorship might be an easier or acceptable alternative route is a false hope. Dictators rarely surrender their control benevolently back to the people, almost never willingly, and certainly not to a previous form of authority — like the Constitution our Founders gave us.

No, our hope is to change the system through the process. And, if we’re forced to operate outside those lines, then it must be for one purpose alone — to RESTORE the original Constitution as given to us by the Founders. Period. Anything other than that, and we’ll do more harm to ourselves, our nation and this world that we could ever do good.


20 posted on 09/11/2011 12:29:34 PM PDT by patriot preacher
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