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The £2.2billion superlab where scientists are creating a star on Earth
Mail Online ^ | 17th November 2010 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 11/27/2010 12:18:12 AM PST by Windflier

It may look like any average building but behind closed doors could lie the answer to safe renewable energy of the future.

Here at the National Ignition Facility in Livermore California, scientists are aiming to build the world's first sustainable fusion reactor by 'creating a miniature star on Earth'.

Following a series of key experiments over the last few weeks, the £2.2 billion project has inched a little closer to its goal of igniting a workable fusion reaction by 2012.


(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: coldfission; coldfusion; energy; fission; fusion; he3; helium3; inertialcontainment; nuclearfusion; stringtheory
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To: Condor51

Then again if our Home Owner’s Insurance Companies find out, our rates just my go up

Thats why I mand my ship invisible.Happy inventing brother.


21 posted on 11/27/2010 8:52:48 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: SunkenCiv

I thought the plan was to transport the H3 back to earth, use it here and transport the generated electricity in the usual way. It’s low mass fuel, and the moon’s weak gravity wouldn’t be a barrier to transport. The concept of microwaving the energy to earth comes from a different paradigm - having orbiting solar generating stations, in which you would need some way to wirelessly transmit the energy to earth.

And while the downlink area might not be dangerous, and further might not be heating the world, or causing environmental harm - there’s not a shred of doubt in my mind that the envirowackos would claim that it did do all those things.


22 posted on 11/27/2010 9:56:07 AM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Mmogamer

Our country will not invent or produce any form of viable energy production until the Rats are chased out of Congress and the courts are purged.


23 posted on 11/27/2010 10:05:13 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: SunkenCiv

Hmmm... 2012... Hmmm...


24 posted on 11/27/2010 11:43:38 AM PST by TheOldLady (The only way to run our country is conservatively.)
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To: The Comedian
Isn't this is sort of experiment that always goes wrong and results in a first-person shooter?

I've wondered about what would happen if this thing doesn't work as planned. Don't know that I'd want to be on-site to find out. Could be the biggest zot of all time ;^)

25 posted on 11/27/2010 12:19:00 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Kevmo
"The End of Snide Remarks Against Cold Fusion"

You won't catch me making any snide remarks about cold fusion. I think there's been enough research and study of the concept to conclude that it's at least possible to accomplish.

My guess is that sooner or later, there'll be a breakthrough.

26 posted on 11/27/2010 12:22:33 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Could be the biggest zot of all time

Exactly. I keep imagining a warning klaxon, lots of spinning red lights, an LED countdown clock, and something like the Ghostbusters containment grid failure effect when the clock hits "00:00".


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

27 posted on 11/27/2010 12:38:57 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: TheOldLady

;’)


28 posted on 11/27/2010 12:39:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Energy too cheap to meter -- that's been the mantra for years among people who thought this feasible (via at least four different methods), still bupkis.

My take on it is, the scientists just don't know what they don't know. One of these days, someone will discover what it takes to make this technology work.

In the meantime, it's always interesting to see what's happening with the latest efforts in the area.

29 posted on 11/27/2010 12:41:21 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Condor51
Harrumph! What a mass of junk

But - you've got to admit that for a piece of junk, it sure is gorgeous. Wouldn't you agree? LOL

30 posted on 11/27/2010 12:44:01 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: TheOldLady
Hmmm... 2012... Hmmm...

I know. I had the same thought.

31 posted on 11/27/2010 12:47:11 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: eclecticEel; SunkenCiv
Mining of H3 on the moon is a major part of this movie. Not really about energy production, a bit heavyhanded against corporations, and a bit slow at times, it is still worth a view if you have Netflix or can rent it cheap:


32 posted on 11/27/2010 1:01:58 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: The Comedian

I think it’s the cat that makes that one. :’D


33 posted on 11/27/2010 1:18:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Windflier

We’ll be a double-sun system.

Is it too late to take that ship to Mars? I’m old. I can get on the list for the one-way trip.

Mars will be a lot more habitable with each earth/Mars appulse, but it will have extremely extreme seasons because of it too.

OTOH, if I stay here, no more Ohio winters... or anything else. What a dilemma.

[popping sound you hear is my tongue being drawn out of my cheek as I wander off to hijack yet another thread]


34 posted on 11/27/2010 1:21:55 PM PST by TheOldLady (The only way to run our country is conservatively.)
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To: eclecticEel

It might be very economical to bring the H3 back from the Moon; the sample return vehicle wouldn’t have to be manned. The problem remains that no one has demonstrated feasibility of controlled fusion. Without that, the H3 may as well stay where it is.


35 posted on 11/27/2010 1:28:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Thanks wwfb.


36 posted on 11/27/2010 2:36:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Young Werther

I read the late Dr O’Neill’s book, well, a while back, I think right after there was a magazine article about him, possibly in “Final Frontier” magazine. He was smart, but he was also dead wrong about shooting that much energy through the atmosphere. It would be marginally better to have a single large downlink, but that might take some doing to get that to work.

And that’s right, the generating source he suggested was photovoltaic arrays, miles in size, manufactured and deployed in orbit. He suggested building large, half-glass cylindrical settlements, which would turn on the long axis fast enough to simulate gravity for the inhabitants. Those would also run off photovoltaics.

To get a series of downlink stations to be workable, a series of them (each group in an isolated area) would have to be constructed, as well as a series of large photovoltaic arrays that take turns passing over the illuminated side and can hit the downlink stations. It would be an impressive feat of engineering to accomplish this, and maybe even more impressive to maintain many square miles of cells exposed to micrometeoroid damage.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2559138/posts


37 posted on 11/27/2010 4:09:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Windflier

The £2.2billion superlab where scientists are creating a star on Earth

Their first attempt was a dud...


38 posted on 11/27/2010 4:14:58 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Windflier

It would be nice to think so, but the only somewhat new approach (other than those two independent engineers up in Canada) is the magnetic pinch, and that’s already some years old, and has the same instability problems the toroidal (TOKAMAK) approach was conceived to solve. The various groups are headed down the same paths they’ve been on for years, and haven’t had any new ideas which panned out. And since they’re on such narrow roads, they are unlikely to think of anything new that would fit into their approach.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2158075/posts


39 posted on 11/27/2010 5:55:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Windflier

I just hope they don’t acheive success in Dec, 2012.


40 posted on 11/27/2010 6:19:07 PM PST by Rebelbase
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