Shocking revelation: Former Air Force personnel disclose UFO, alien-related threats

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[marbren]

(NECN: Washington) - A press conference was held this afternoon at the National Press Club in Washington, where at least a dozen former U.S. Air Force personnel, mostly officers who worked on secret projects connected to sensitive nuclear weapons sites, are admitting that they were privy to UFO and alien-related incidents -- that occurred during their time of service.

In this clip, you will hear from: Retired Air Force Captain Robert Salas, Former Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Dwayne Arneson and Former Air Force Official Bill Jameson

[Quix]

Hey y’all,

Why do you think it’s so difficult to get the RC’s to voice their perspectives on this milepost in disclosure history?

They aren’t usually shy about derisively assaulting me about the topic almost 24/7. Now when I invite their opinions, they play like sphinxes.

Why the switcherooo? Are they practicing for schizophrenic roles in movies?

The cat got their fingers?

Or is it that they would have to be careful with their words to avoid looking like idiots talking about the expert military senior officers’ first hand testimonies?

Or is it that they’d have to commit the unpardonable sin of admitting that they were wrong?

Mystifying.

Come to think of it . . . the Calvinists haven’t been that forthcoming either! LOL.

[Judith Anne]

Why would any Catholic want to participate in any thread of yours after the crap you have posted about them?

Take me off your ping list, and go bother someone else. I don’t care if I ever see your name again.

[marbren]

Excellent perspective and post Alamo-Girl! Would you say the 12,000 year old circles in Turkey were formed before the fall into sin of Adam less than 6,000 years ago?

[FourtySeven]

Errata: Point 1 should read, “...in the press conference from Sept 27th”.

[Quix]

Sorry.

I thought my paragraph reply covered it.

I basically think Mr Carlson is most likely involved in a disinfo campaign against such disclosures. Regardless of his seeming thoroughness—such a disinfo campaign is well within the norm about such things.

It just smelled like that to me. I dismissed it outright. I didn’t think it was worth a lot of my time. I’ve read far too much far more convincing to the contrary.

One assertion of his that there was NO WAY any such craft could have influence the electronics of the missile control center or otherwise

is just very thoroughly wrong.

Such craft have demonstrated very incredible capacities with their various types of ‘lights’ countless times.

That one statement makes him look like an ignorant 2 year old on the topic.

Craft have influenced car electronics from distances, fighter jet arming electronics from a distance . . . turned off ALL a fighter’s electronics for dangerous minutes . . . from a distance . . . shown beams inside of houses and high rises etc. . . . levitated victims out of high rises on a beam of light . . . CHANGED THE TARGETING INSTRUCTIONS FOR INDIVIDUAL MISSILES evidently by a beam of light into the silos.

The testimonials of the above far outweight and out number Carlson’s ‘evidence.’

I will say again . . . there is SOOOOO MUCH DISINFORMATION, SMOKE, MIRRORS, HALF TRUTHS ETC. in the whole field, it is a very inexact art to discern even tentatively where the truth MIGHT lie.

I’m just convinced in this case that Col Halt is telling the truth. And the rest of those testifying aren’t lying either. Mr Carlson’s thing sort of looks like a feeble, though extensive, pre-emptive disinfo attempt to neutralize the impact of the News Conference.

I’ve been wrong before, but that’s my take on Mr Carlson’s narrative and reports.

I wasn’t all that impressed.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your question, dear brother in Christ!

you: Perhaps you’d be willing to elaborate on this part that I don’t qutie feel I clearly understand:

me: we can also see that the universe is about a week old (equiv earth time) at the inception space/time coordinates

At the end of Gerald Schroeder’s article "The Age of the Universe" - which I linked in the previously reply - you’ll see a table of 6 equivalent earth days from the inception space/time coordinates v. the age of the universe from our space/time coordinates during the expansion of the universe. It is an approximation based on the temperature of quark confinement: “10.9 times 10 to the 12th power Kelvin degrees divided by (or the ratio to) the temperature of the universe today, 2.73 degrees. That’s the initial ratio which changes exponentially as the universe expands.”

It is a linear approximation of the expansion of space/time itself. In reality, expansion of space/time is not linear.

For instance, during the inflationary phase of the universe, space/time expanded faster than the speed of light. One way to visualize the issue is to remember that the star’s light you observe in the night’s sky may have traveled 10 billion years to reach you, having begun its journey when the star was merely a billion light years away and even though you can see the star, it actually no longer exists.

The reason its light didn't reach you in a billion years is that space/time itself expands. Or to put it another way, space/time doesn’t pre-exist, it is created as the universe expands.

As another example, if you were an observer near the horizon of a black hole while a week elapsed for you, forty years may elapse on earth.

As another example, if you are on an observer on a spaceship accelerating at one earth’s gravity (gravity and velocity are equivalent under the equivalence principle, e.g. an apple and a rock fall at the same rate) - for you, 25.3 years would elapse – but for the observer on earth, 5x10¹⁰ years would elapse. Spacetime Wheel

Of course these are simplifications – much like Schroeder’s approximation – because space/time itself is warped by gravity (general relativity v. special relativity) and no thing is at rest in the universe.

Try this mental exercise:

A fly in your car is going 5 mph. That is his speed from his perspective as the observer.

But your car in speeding down the road at 65 mph. So for the guy watching you from the roadside table, that fly is going 70 mph.

But the road you have taken is on the equator and the circumference of the earth at the equator is 24,901.55 miles and the earth rotates once every 24 hours. So that fly is now going 1,100 mph + 70 mph = 1,170 mph.

Moreover, the orbital length of earth traveling around the sun is 149,600,000 miles, traveled in 365.25 days. That is 67,000 miles per hour. So add that in, and the fly is going 68,170 mph.

The sun orbits the Milky Way galaxy at a speed of 486,000 miles per hour. Add that in, and the fly is now going 554,170 miles per hour.

All of this and we haven’t gotten to the accelerating expansion of the universe, i.e. space/time itself.

A galaxy 1 million light years away would seem to be moving away from us at a rate of 60,000 miles per hour. For every 3.26 million light years further out that we look, the galaxies seem to be moving away from us at an additional 162,000 miles per hour In sum, the universe is currently at least 156 billion light years wide.

And that is from the fly’s perspective. If we go in the other direction as "observer" – the quantum – the cumulative velocities are even more mind-boggling.

And just like the fly, we cannot sense that we are going more than 550,000 mph. It is not intuitive.

Thus, when we think of the physical realm we are well advised to remember that things are not as our limited vision and minds perceive them to be.

For instance, the "null path" is a difficult concept, i.e. to a photon traveling at the speed of light no time elapses.

The observers of the photon perceive time passing relative to their space/time coordinates. Moreover, space/time itself is expanding. So a photon sent to the observer's space/time coordinates by a star which was a million light years away might arrive eleven million light years later because space/time expanded while it was in route even though from the photon's perspective, no time elapsed.

The observer "in" space/time does not see such phenomena all at once. Nothing is at rest "in" space/time. To paraphrase Tegmark's Level IV cosmology, the observer "in" space/time would see two orbiting particles which the observer "outside" space/time would see as two strands in a double helix. To the observer "in" space/time it is about the relative motion and position. To the observer "outside" space/time it is about the geometry, the mathematical structure.

Truly, no physical thing is at rest "in" space/time. Space/time is not at rest. And that is the core issue in trying to understand relativity.

To God be the glory, not man, never man!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your encouragements, dear marbren!

Would you say the 12,000 year old circles in Turkey were formed before the fall into sin of Adam less than 6,000 years ago?

Indeed, though I would word it as "before Adam was banished to mortality about 6,000 years old." I would put it that way because I'm not sure how time would have elapsed for him in Paradise/Eden relative to our space/time continuum - but once he was banished to mortality, his calendar and clock was on earth time.

[Quix]

Nice to know you’re still alive and kicking.

OK. I’ll take you off that temporary ad-hoc list.

Maybe there will be a surviving name or 3 that would be willing to stand up for the RC position on atypical topics.

There. Done.

My Word file has been relieved of your name.

However, a LOT of y’all have made suuuuuuuuuuuuuch an impression on my psyche that it’s pretty easy to just rattle off the list from memory—given all y’all’s relentlessly sweet attentiveness to my person.

I gather that business . . . even the RC version of the business of forgiveness and forsaking bitterness isn’t going very well in the RC camp.

May it would help if y’all ordered another train load of white hankies from Mary. At least it would provide more white hankies to whimper and snivel into.

[marbren]

For instance, during the inflationary phase of the universe, space/time expanded faster than the speed of light.

Agreed! When God said let there be light I am sure it was traveling much faster than 186000 miles per second, If miles and seconds existed yet.

[Jaded]

Doesn’t sound at all inviting.

I don’t think there is anywhere the Vatican says “thou shalt believe in glowing saucers whizzing through the night sky”. Maybe some guy who has been in a cubicle a tad too long...

You have some interesting thoughts on fallen angels (read demons).

[marbren]

Didn't the fall happen before anyone was born?

[Quix]

Hmmmmm . . . I THINK I got all that. LOL.

In light of all that, I’m curious, too . . . would you construe the Turky site to have been constructed before the Garden of Eden bit with Adam or what?

[Quix]

I mean . . . the Bible says the world was formless and void.

It does NOT say what it was BEFORE it was formless and void.

[Quix]

I won’t dig out the links here . . . there are some FR postings on them including a thread or two .. . . oh, here’s one . . .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2549002/posts

There have, over the last 1-3 years been an

1. increasing frequency of such outputs from various officials in the Vatican and affiliated with the Vatican observatory near Tucson, AZ

2. increasingly authoritative pronouncements

3. increasingly substantive pronouncements

4. increasingly bold, brash, startling pronouncements

5. increasingly ‘official’ status wise of the authors and of the language involved

6. increasingly assertive about the UFO critters being either benign or good guys—when, in fact, they are all notorious liars and very involved toward helping set up the satanic global government and coerce, scare the world’s citizens into it.

7. The usual RC wail hereon is that if it’s not part of the Catechism, it doesn’t exist. What rubbish. There’s tons of daily realities for the VATICAN INSTITUTION and certainly for the daily pew sitter which is not spelled out in the Catechism—and many times, which conflicts with this or that part of the Catechism. That straw fig-leaf won’t cover. That dog won’t hunt.

[FourtySeven]

Thanks for the reply, but if I may question further:

Mr. Carlson’s claims of falsity do not rest entirely upon his claim that it is impossible to selectively disrupt electronics. Indeed, the bulk of his paper is to discredit Capt. Salas’ claims, and I do not see how that evidence is refuted either in your post now or in anyone’s post ever.

As for the claims of electrical interference, the cases you cited, if even true, are merely examples of what Mr. Carlson is claiming is physically true, that is, that if electronics are disrupted by natural or physically explainable events, then all electronics will be disrupted, not merely one component, or one station, etc.

The only case that may be worthy of further investigation would be the claim that “targeting instructions for individual missiles have been changed”. In such further investigation, one should ask, “was only one missile at the time altered, while others in the same test flight operated normally, or, was only one missile tested at the time of the malfunction?” If the latter case, then that would simply be another case of system wide malfunction, and not targeted malfunction (which would be unexplainable by the laws of physics).

The case of levitation, well, I don’t know what to say about that other than personal testimony alone would be insufficient for corroboration.

You see my FRiend, I think one of the main things that separate you and me in our mutual fascination of UFO reports is that I am not able to accept personal testimony alone, whereas you appear to be satisfied to rely upon personal testimony as the bulk of evidence for extraterrestrial encounters. Personal testimony, no matter how many one can find on the Internet (be it hundreds, thousands or even tens of thousands) would not represent even close to a significant percentage of the US population, much less the world’s population. Thus, from statistics alone, it is reasonable to conclude that such people may be suffering from a wide variety of mental defects, or, even if perfectly sane, may honestly believe their encounter to be true but have simply misinterpreted it based on limited knowledge of natural phenomena.

Returning to the issue at hand, with all due respect, because I do genuinely believe you to be an intelligent person, I do not believe your response to me adequately addresses the extensive work Mr. Carlson has done to offer claims of falsity on the part of Capt. Salas, and shoddy “journalism” on the part of Mr. Hastings. You mention objections to Mr. Carlson’s argument about electronic interference being physically impossible in a targeted sense, but your objections do not actually refute his claims (as I explained above). You seem to use this refutation (that again doesn’t address his physical objections at all) to dismiss his claims against Capt. Salas. With all due respect, this is not being objective IMO, it’s being a “naysayer”.

[Quix]

Thanks for your kind words.

What I didn’t mention is that the excellent researcher, interviewer Paolo P Harris who’s Rome apt was very near the Vatican and very near the Vatican’s Balducci before his passing . . . has long had extensive contacts within the Vatican who have been increasingly candid with her about the subject.

I talked with her face to face about such realities. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT THAT THE VATICAN HAS FIRMLY—AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS—CHOSEN TO COME DOWN ON THE SIDE OF SUPPORTING, COOPERATING WITH, CONSTRUING THE CRITTERS AS BENIGN TO SAVIORS AND CERTAINLY AT LEAST KOSHER CANDIDATES FOR EVANGELIZATION/REDEMPTION THROUGH CHRIST OR NOT IN NEED OF SAME.

For the present, it’s that plausible deniability strategy as a level of incremental disclosure vis a vis the Vatican. However, that veil is being slowly and methodically lifted/removed.

[Jaded]

I said “I didn’t think that”. I was certainly unaware of it. Something else to look up. :-)

[Quix]

I don’t know that I can lift this out of the ‘naysayer’ level of disagreement. I don’t care to devote that amount of time to Mr Carlson’s objections.

1. I disagree with Mr Carlson’s analysis of the technological capacities. THEY ABSOLUTELY CAN SELECTIVELY WITH GREAT PRECISION AND FINE TUNED SPECIFICITY TURN OFF OR ALTER OR FREEZE VARIOUS ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS—WHETHER PART OF A FIGHTER’S ELECTRONICS OR ONE SPECIFIC ELECTRICAL SUBSYSTEM OF A MISSILE’S PROGRAMMING. They are evidently able to change the specific bits and zero’s within a computer chip from a great distance—at least in feet or yards.

2. The business about mental illness and experiencers has been totally well refuted with quality scientific studies. Such experiencers are slightly significantly MORE healthy than the average of the population. IIRC, THEY ARE, AS AN AVERAGED AGGREGATE also slightly significantly smarter than the average of the general population. They do, after their experiences, quite plausibly show some evidence of PTSD! OF COURSE! DOH!

3. I don’t think a great deal of Salas. He may be a brazen opportunist. He may be a new age cultist. He says some things about the phenomena which are true.

4. The testimonials . . . comparing the testimonials with the world population? Based on what logic? Wouldn’t it be more logical to compare their testimonies with testimonines of murder witnesses? Testimonies of sightings of the Loch Ness monster? of Big foot? Of ghosts?

5. Based on THOSE kinds of more rational comparisons, the testimonies of solid reasonably vetted experiencers are head and shoulders above most of the above and quite favorably consistent with the integrity and accuracy of the better witnesses of murders.

6. AT this point, I’m not referring to an amalgamized distillation of a few hundred cases—but of many thousands over my 45 years of study. Themes appear that are quite consistent from experiencers all around the globe from Australia to Timbuktu to Iceland to Norway to Argentina to wherever. Even the secret types of marks on their bodies which most researchers have kept secret as a way to verify authenticity of the experiencel—those are consistent around the world.

I think Mr Carlson’s stuff has a veneer of objectivity without a shred of substantive objectivity. Just my bias from all my study.

[Quix]

Sorry, I’m not clear what this is referring to.
Force personnel disclose UFO, alien-related threats, Jaded wrote:
I said “I didn’t think that”. I was certainly unaware of it. Something else to look up. :-)

[1000 silverlings]

you might be interested in reading about the huge archaic people of Ohio that settlers found in graves there. Interestingly enough, the area that makes up the Appalachia area shares common flora found in a very distinct part of China, suggesting that at one point, the areas were linked before the continents broke up. The archaic people were said to have black hair and slanted eyes. Also interesting, there is modern day research ongoing on the Sasquatch and being dismissed because human dna is only ever found, not animal. Is Sasquatch the remnants of these archaic people, maybe.

Also there is so much satellite technology now, that to just dismiss strange things in the night sky as nonsense is certainly close minded. Here in Oregon, we have objects that just hang in the sky-- surveillance drones for drug operations I'm sure. Then there are holograms, and Haarp doing God knows what

I saw blacked out drones flying around Sacramento at night. they've been doing this stuff for years-- they experiment locally before the technology is used in warfare