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God did not create the universe, says Hawking
Reuters ^ | Thu Sep 2, | Michael Holden

Posted on 09/02/2010 2:40:29 PM PDT by WhatNot

LONDON (Reuters) – God did not create the universe and the "Big Bang" was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics, the eminent British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking argues in a new book.

In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.


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TOPICS: Humor; Miscellaneous; Religion; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: fools; scientism; stephenhawking
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To: FreeDeerHawk
“I never claimed I did.” You made the statement as a fact,so yeah,you did. “I can say for sure that I know more than you,” Just like you know for sure,as a fact,how the Universe is structed. Lots Of Laughs!!!! *********

The laugh is on the guy who doesn't even know how ice is made.

141 posted on 09/02/2010 9:22:21 PM PDT by Republican Extremist
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To: Republican Extremist

So there’s no mistaking your claim of having the facts about how the Universe is structured,here’s your statement:

“The Universe is not structured by time, it is structured by space-time.”

You made that statement without any qualification. In other words,as a fact.


142 posted on 09/02/2010 9:23:24 PM PDT by FreeDeerHawk
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To: WhatNot

Wow, he’s become a real fundamentaliat: “I said it, I believe it, that settles it.”


143 posted on 09/02/2010 9:25:34 PM PDT by cookcounty ("I can see November from my house!" ---Sarah Palin)
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To: Republican Extremist

You talk about the laws of physics,well,where did those laws originate? Too perfect to be by chance.


144 posted on 09/02/2010 9:28:03 PM PDT by FreeDeerHawk
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To: FreeDeerHawk
So there’s no mistaking your claim of having the facts about how the Universe is structured,here’s your statement: “The Universe is not structured by time, it is structured by space-time.” You made that statement without any qualification. In other words,as a fact. *************

Yes, that is a fact, and has been proven. It's called Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. Time has been proven to slow down as speed increases.

145 posted on 09/02/2010 9:28:39 PM PDT by Republican Extremist
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To: cookcounty
I think his main problem, he has no idea what he believes, that makes him susceptible to all sorts of deceptions, his life is probabley filled with confusion. I pray one day, he will find Jesus, and accept Him as Lord.
146 posted on 09/02/2010 9:32:13 PM PDT by WhatNot (God Bless our troops, especially the snipers.)
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To: FreeDeerHawk
You talk about the laws of physics,well,where did those laws originate? Too perfect to be by chance. ********************

The laws of physics in our universe originated the tiniest fraction of a second after the Big Bang created the universe. They are perfect from our own anthropomorphic viewpoint, but only because we exist to observe them. There are likely trillions of other universes that have radically different physical properties than ours does.

147 posted on 09/02/2010 9:32:30 PM PDT by Republican Extremist
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To: Republican Extremist

It was Hawking and another Physicist who ‘proved’ there was a big bang. It was the Big Bang which brought Time and Space into existence. So far I haven’t seen where Stephen has shown how it was that these two dimensions were brought into existence or intertwined, so I’ll pass on trusting Stephen’s latest assertions.


148 posted on 09/02/2010 9:33:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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BTW, the ‘laws of physics’ did not exist before time and space expressed. Without time events cannot occur, without space things/objects do not exist, regardless of how many expressions or variables of either dimension are postulated.


149 posted on 09/02/2010 9:35:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
It was Hawking and another Physicist who ‘proved’ there was a big bang. It was the Big Bang which brought Time and Space into existence. So far I haven’t seen where Stephen has shown how it was that these two dimensions were brought into existence or intertwined, so I’ll pass on trusting Stephen’s latest assertions. *******************************

Georges Lemaître was the guy who formulated what would later be known the Big Bang Theory, and it was Fred Hoyle who coined the term. That was in 1949, and Hawking was only 7 years old in 1949.

Hawking did Quantum Gravity and Black Holes, which of course have been proven to exist.

150 posted on 09/02/2010 9:42:04 PM PDT by Republican Extremist
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To: Republican Extremist

I wrote ‘proved’. Look it up. No one had done a mathematical proof prior to he and another dude writing it.


151 posted on 09/02/2010 9:44:48 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: Republican Extremist
http://www.bigbang_theory.com

Back in the late '60s and early '70s, when men first walked upon the moon, "three British astrophysicists, Steven Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose turned their attention to the Theory of Relativity and its implications regarding our notions of time. In 1968 and 1970, they published papers in which they extended Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to include measurements of time and space.1, 2 According to their calculations, time and space had a finite beginning that corresponded to the origin of matter and energy."3 The singularity didn't appear in space; rather, space began inside of the singularity. Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know. We don't know where it came from, why it's here, or even where it is. All we really know is that we are inside of it and at one time it didn't exist and neither did we.

152 posted on 09/02/2010 9:48:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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Corrected link: http://big-bang-theory.com
153 posted on 09/02/2010 9:50:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
BTW, the ‘laws of physics’ did not exist before time and space expressed. Without time events cannot occur, without space things/objects do not exist, regardless of how many expressions or variables of either dimension are postulated. *************

Your first sentence is correct, if modified to "our laws of physics", as the laws in a different or previous universe would most certainly be different.

Your second sentence should be modified to "without space-time events cannot occur".

154 posted on 09/02/2010 9:51:19 PM PDT by Republican Extremist
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To: Republican Extremist; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
I would debate that last assertion of yours but the hour is late for me. Suffice it to say that events can occur without objects, so it is most likely--to my theory--that time expressed before space expressed in the singularity which is God's handiwork. I've pinged a couple of folks far more intelligent than I. Perhaps they would like to discuss this with you.

bon nuit

155 posted on 09/02/2010 10:01:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
I wrote ‘proved’. Look it up. No one had done a mathematical proof prior to he and another dude writing it. ************

"Proved" is too strong a word. I think "postulated" would be more accurate.

The real proof came before Hawking's papers on singularities in space, and consisted of the background radiation found by Penzius and Wilson in 1964.

156 posted on 09/02/2010 10:01:31 PM PDT by Republican Extremist
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To: MHGinTN
I would debate that last assertion of yours but the hour is late for me. Suffice it to say that events can occur without objects, so it is most likely--to my theory--that time expressed before space expressed in the singularity which is God's handiwork. I've pinged a couple of folks far more intelligent than I. Perhaps they would like to discuss this with you.**********

It is late here too. I would love to debate more.

I must say I appreciate your intellect and belief system more because I can see you have given some deeper thought to these matters than others.

Good night.

157 posted on 09/02/2010 10:08:44 PM PDT by Republican Extremist
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To: MHGinTN
Without time events cannot occur, without space things/objects do not exist, regardless of how many expressions or variables of either dimension are postulated.

Where does time and space (distance) not exist?
How about in the reference frame of a photon.
At the speed of light time stops, length contraction goes to infinite (no distance).
A photon does not exist in our reference frame of 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension, but it does exist.
Conclusion, Photons do, from their reference frame, exist without time and space.

158 posted on 09/02/2010 10:16:15 PM PDT by The Cajun
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To: WhatNot

When Job doubted God, God asked him a simple question: “Were you there?”


159 posted on 09/02/2010 10:23:34 PM PDT by LiteKeeper ("It's the peoples' seat!")
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To: Republican Extremist
I must say I appreciate your intellect and belief system more because I can see you have given some deeper thought to these matters than others.

Strange thing to say given that your own thoughts on this stuff are about an inch deep.

160 posted on 09/03/2010 2:05:54 AM PDT by Yardstick
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