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Woolly mammoth extinction 'not linked to humans'
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| August 17, 2010
| Pallab Ghosh
Posted on 08/18/2010 11:32:29 AM PDT by decimon
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To: Ramius
Ive got a beautiful Benchmade Gold-class knife with a woolly mammoth ivory handle.It's stag horn, Ram. ;-)
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posted on
08/18/2010 5:10:18 PM PDT
by
decimon
To: decimon
heh... Nope, not mine. It’s mammoth ivory, and a particularly nice, creamy white example. Lots of mammoth ivory is darker, and commonly filled with tiny cracks. The flawless white stuff is harder to find.
but it’s out there.
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posted on
08/18/2010 5:25:44 PM PDT
by
Ramius
(Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
To: allmendream
Now I am not saying that such evidence CONCLUSIVELY shows anything! But the extinction of much of the mega-fauna coinciding so clearly with human habitation seems to paint a compelling picture. From the looks of things Clovis people chased the North American megafauna all the way to the North Slope of Alaska where miles of bones are stuck in the muck. Maybe worse, they apparently formed a fire line over much of Siberia and drove the megafauna all the way into the Arctic Ocean where there are complete islands made of nothing but carcasses. Fact is they must have followed them into the ocean themselves because Clovis culture disappeared about the same time. Mass suicide???
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posted on
08/18/2010 5:56:38 PM PDT
by
ForGod'sSake
(You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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posted on
08/18/2010 8:52:37 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
- What killed the mammoths and other behemoths?
- Ancient Atomic Warfare - Religious texts and geological evidence
- The Pleistocene Extinction
- Supernova debris found on Earth
- Deep freeze dealt death knell to bison (Ice Age)
- Supernova Storm Wiped Out Mammoths?
- Supernova Storm Wiped Out Mammoths?
- Scientist: Comets Blasted Early Americans
- Native Americans Recorded Supernova Explosion
- Terrestrial Evidence of a Nuclear Catastrophe in Paleoindian Times
- Did comet start deadly cold snap?
- Diamonds tell tale of comet that killed off the cavemen
- Catastrophic Comet Chilled and Killed Ice Age Beasts (and Clovis people)
- Oregon Researchers Involved In New Clovis-Age Impact Theory (More)
- Comet May Have Doomed Mammoths
- Ice Age Ends Smashingly: Did A Comet Blow Up Over Eastern Canada? (More) (Carolina Bays)
- Climate alarmists lose another piece of evidence
- Comet Theory Collides With Clovis Research, May Explain Disappearance of Ancient People
- NSF Press Release: Comet May Have Exploded Over North America 13,000 Years Ago
- Research Team Says Extraterrestrial Impact To Blame For Ice Age Extinctions (More)
- Cosmic blast may have killed off megafauna: Scientists say early humans doomed, too
- Cosmic blast may have killed off megafauna: Scientists say early humans doomed, too
- Evidence for an extraterrestrial impact 12,900 years ago
- Site Provides Evidence For Ancient Comet Explosion (Topper - SC)
- The End of Eden: The Comet That Changed Civilization
- Great beasts peppered from space
- Did Comets Cause Ancient American Extinctions?
- Al Goodyear And The Secrets Of Ancient Americans
- The mysterious forest rings of northern Ontario
- Life Survived Catastrophic Space Rock Impact [Chesapeake Bay area]
- Research Casts New Light On History Of North America
- Exploding Asteroid Theory Strengthened By New Evidence Located In Ohio, Indiana
- First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia....
- Diamonds Rained Down During Ice Age
- Diamonds Rained Down During Ice Age ($$$)
- First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia Over Bering Strait -
- Tracking down abrupt climate changes (Rapid natural climate change 12,700 years ago)
- Mammoth Mystery: The Beasts' Final Years
- Scientists find signs of 13,000-year-old extinction event
- Scientists say comet killed off mammoths, saber-toothed tigers
- Diamonds Linked to Quick Cooling Eons Ago
- Six North American sites hold 12,900-year-old nanodiamond-rich soil
- Did a Comet Hit Earth 12,000 Years Ago?
- Mammoths wiped out by 'perfect storm?'
- Laser mapping may help solve the mystery of the Mima Mounds
- Humans to Blame for Extinction? - Not Necessarily So ...
- Did a Comet Cause a North American Die-Off around 13,000 Years Ago?
- Carolina bays gouged into the ground at a magnetic reversal
- North America comet theory questioned
- Mini ice age took hold of Europe in months
- Car-Sized Creature Whacked with Tail's Sweet Spot (until 10,000 years ago)
- Starvation 'wiped out' giant deer
- Prehistoric man, giant animal coexisted
- Extinction of Giant Mammals Changed Landscape Dramatically
- Sophisticated hunters not to blame for driving mammoths to extinction
- Big freeze plunged Europe into ice age in months
- Kansas scientists probe mysterious possible comet strikes on Earth
- Explosive Nearby Star Could Threaten Earth
- T Pyxidis Soon To Be A Type Ia Supernova
- The Death Star (Supernova close to Earth - could wipe us out)
- Cave reveals Southwest's abrupt climate swings during Ice Age
- Musk Ox Population Decline Due to Climate, Not Humans, Study Finds
- Hour-long hailstorm may have caused 1,000-year freeze, say scientists
- Comet trail may have caused last ice age - UPI.com
- New Study Reveals Link Between 'Climate Footprints' and Mass Mammal Extinction
- As Mammoths Died Out, Earth Chilled (mammoth burp and fart levels dropped, contributing to cooling)
- Methane Extinctions - Could this Explain the Carolina Bays?
- Fungi, Feces Show Comet Didn't Kill Ice Age Mammals?
- Answer to what ended the last ice age may be blowing in the winds, paper says
- Los Angeles oil history runs deep
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posted on
08/18/2010 8:52:58 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
To: gleeaikin; 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ..
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posted on
08/18/2010 8:57:28 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
To: decimon; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 21twelve; 240B; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
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posted on
08/18/2010 9:00:10 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
To: allmendream
As is well known, The Native Americans who lived here when the DWM showed up, lived in perfect peace and blissful harmony, in perfect cooperative brotherhood, and were at one with Mother Earth.
They were excellent executive time managers, too. They somehow managed to fit in this idyllic outlook with a busy schedule of bashing each other's brains, kidnapping, massacres, and other quaint and colorful war rituals.
South of the now non-existent border, other Native Americans were working on advanced open heart surgical techniques, which they doubtless would have mastered had their research not been stopped by the arrival of gold-crazy Spaniards and evil Christian Missionaries.
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posted on
08/18/2010 9:36:10 PM PDT
by
Kenny Bunk
(The Republican Party was founded to Save the Union. Can it now Save the Republic?)
To: Kenny Bunk
Come now, we won because we had raised bashing each other’s brains, kidnapping, massacres and other quaint and colorful war rituals to an ART FORM, seldom matched in ferocity and cunning, and did it on a larger scale.
But I never understood this “one with nature” Iron eyes Cody the crying Sicilian Indian crap either.
History is what it was. As Teddy Roosevelt said ‘it was ridiculous to think that North America could remain the last great preserve of nomadic and horticultural society’.
They were going to be supplanted by a more productive agricultural society, as has been the history of mankind from the dawn of agriculture - and they were damn lucky it was by us. Because we are so damn good at killing that we had the power and inclination to have that most blessed of human qualities, mercy.
In the light of history we can also have understanding. Of both peoples, both on a collision course that would shape the world we live in today.
But no need to get all propaganda good guy bad buy with it. It was what it was.
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posted on
08/18/2010 9:52:02 PM PDT
by
allmendream
(Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
To: Smokin' Joe
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posted on
08/18/2010 9:56:22 PM PDT
by
TruthWillWin
(The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
To: decimon
I’ve said this over and over.
The casualties of trying to take down a mammoth would have been so large, it simply would not have been worth it.
The American Indians would not have been able to even make so much as a dent in the bison population without firearms.
You telling me half a dozen dudes with loincloths and sandals and spears are gonna take down a PO’d 5 ton male mammoth?
Get real!!
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posted on
08/18/2010 10:12:21 PM PDT
by
djf
(They ain't "immigrants". They're "CRIMMIGRANTS"!!!!)
To: decimon; SunkenCiv
Isn’t it a weird coincidence that the mammoths disappeared at PRECISELY the same time that Eric Von Daniken posits that aliens from outer space last visited the earth?
And isn’t it a coincidence that Mankind needed these wooly mammoths out of its way in orcer to take over the Earth as planned by this same Master Race of unknown aliens?
And isn’t it a very convenient coincidence that the Nazca lines (which everyone knows are the outlines of spaceport landing strips seen only from miles into space) would be necessary for spaceships to land as space traveling Noah’s Arks for transporting wooly mammoths off the Earth?
And isnt it a coincidence that scientists are about to CLONE the wooly mammoth to bring their race back to Earth in a desperate cry for the return of our Gods from outer Space to RETURN?
I have been noting the prominence of wooly mammoth stories on this forum for several years now. Isn’t it strange that nowhere else on the internet do you see post after post of stories about wooly mammoths.
Is it just coincidence that the ruler of this forum has taken the name “Sunken Civ”, a hidden clue that he is from Atlantis? Or that his job is to produce these wooly mammoth stories in a forum titled GODS,GLYPHS and GRAVES? He’s one of THEN I tell you!
Can’t anyone else see the connections and put this all together> These aren’t coincidences but proof that we are about to be visited by the Gods once more in the END DAYS.
Coincidences???? I think not.
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posted on
08/18/2010 10:27:47 PM PDT
by
wildbill
(You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
To: SunkenCiv
What a neat list. I won’t get anything done today.
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posted on
08/19/2010 4:33:23 AM PDT
by
Renfield
(Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
To: allmendream
But that’s precisely my point!
Why is it specualted that specific Mega Fauna went extinct because of human hunting, but the same did not occur in Africa or Asia at the same time with a greater - perhaps more established human population.
It doesn’t make sense.
As far as a flensing tool - yes, I imagine that a few of the tools broke-off in the hide and bones of the animal.
Finding a handful of spear-points in or near a few dozen carcases is not evidence of mass eradication at the hands of human hunters.
Just silly.
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posted on
08/19/2010 6:54:37 AM PDT
by
hkusp40
To: hkusp40
Your point misses my point.
Animals unexposed to humans, the most dominant apex predator in history, do not fear them. Their behavior, as we have seen in historic evidence, doesn't have time to adapt to the new threat before they are wiped out.
I did not say that a few spear points in a few mammoth carcasses was conclusive evidence of their mass eradication at the hands of human hunters.
I said that the mass disappearance of mega-fauna that seems to coincide with the introduction of human populations in Australia, New Guinea, Madagascar, and America (and elsewhere) seems to indicate that human arrival accompanies mass extinction of mega-fauna.
It might all just be coincidence.
In case....after case.... land mass..... after land mass.
Yep, it might just be a coincidence.
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posted on
08/19/2010 7:13:33 AM PDT
by
allmendream
(Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
To: allmendream
With the exception of Asia and Africa.
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posted on
08/19/2010 7:37:59 AM PDT
by
hkusp40
To: hkusp40
Yes, where we were not an invasive species. We ‘grew up’ there. The local animals were ‘hip to our jive’, and when they saw humans approaching, they moved away.
The last Dodo did not fear the human who approached it, club in hand. This we know.
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posted on
08/19/2010 7:41:18 AM PDT
by
allmendream
(Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
To: allmendream
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posted on
08/19/2010 8:15:39 AM PDT
by
hkusp40
To: allmendream
"The local animals were hip to our jive, and when they saw humans approaching, they moved away." So what you're saying is that humans wiped out all the dim wits? Giant bison couldn't figure out the game, but regular bison could? Cave bears didn't get it, but grizzlies did?
Correlation is not causation.
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posted on
08/19/2010 9:58:22 AM PDT
by
Flag_This
(Real presidents don't bow.)
To: decimon
So this was not Bush’s fault after all?
Gunner
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posted on
08/19/2010 10:42:07 AM PDT
by
weps4ret
(Where is John Galt?)
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