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1 posted on 04/23/2010 7:35:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 04/23/2010 7:36:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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Good article!


5 posted on 04/23/2010 7:57:23 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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Ping of interest.


6 posted on 04/23/2010 7:57:59 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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Young’s literal translation:
http://yltbible.com/genesis/1.htm

Knoch’s Concordant version:
http://www.google.com/search?q=concordant+version


10 posted on 04/23/2010 8:12:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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No one has ever seriously suggested that the Dead Sea Scrolls contain anything like an eleventh commandment

On the annual progression through Exodus this year I decided that the entire concept of "Ten Commandments" is bogus.

The phrase aseret hadvarim is what gets translated to "ten commandments." But it really means "ten words." Aseret hadvarim occurs only once in Exodus, and where it occurs is in no way associated with what most people think of when they think of the ten commandments. ("I am the L-rd, thy G-d," etc.) Instead it occurs when Moses gets a supposed "second set of ten commandments" quite different from the first set (Including things like "Every first issue of the womb is mine," at Ex 34:19). After these new commandments are given the text continues:

YHWH said to Moshe,
write you down these words:
For in accordance with these words
I cut with you a covenant, and with Israel.

Now he was there beside YHWH bread he did not eat
and water he did not drink,
but he wrote down on the tablets the words of the covenant, the fifteen words.

This is mostly the translation of Ex 34:27-28 of Everett Fox who is considered by many to be the most faithful translator of Exodus. I have changed only one word in Fox's translation.

I would assert that plain meaning of these words is that the "covenant" that Moses (Moshe) wrote down was, "For in accordance with these words I cut with you a covenant, and with Israel." Fifteen words!

Of course the word in Fox's translation that I changed was his translation of aseret. Fox said "ten." I say "fifteen," but it is ten words IN HEBREW! (ki al pi hadevarim ha'eleh karati itcha brit ve'et Yisra'el.)

“Covenant” implies some sort of agreement which generally involves words, not commands. These are the words of the covenant, the fifteen words.

ML/NJ

12 posted on 04/23/2010 8:40:04 AM PDT by ml/nj
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Better go to the sources, and apply higher criticism. A good introduction is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_source about the Q source for the New Testament and the documentary hypothesis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_Hypothesis for the Five Books of Moses.


15 posted on 04/25/2010 5:48:46 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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