Posted on 04/21/2010 8:28:03 PM PDT by MrChips
OK, so I have read a little, listened a little, and figured that the question of Obama's citizenship and birth would never be answered, so why dive into it. But just now, I listened to Anderson Cooper on CNN (I know, I know, why am I watching PRAVDA?) blabber on and on in a very assertive, denunciatory tone to someone from Arizona over that state's recent passage of a bill requiring presidential candidates to prove their citizenship. Cooper went on ad nauseum about how stupid anyone is who questions Obama, how the birth certificate has been PROVEN to be authentic, that the matter should be settled. But the adamancy in his voice bothered me. Why is he so exercised about it if that is really true? He'd be calm, or so I said to myself. Anyway, anybody else watch this?
At least one of the lawsuits does have the issue of 2 citizen parents as one of its pleadings. So far most lawsuits are getting no traction, and are denied on the basis of standing or some other excuse to evade the issue.
Here’s the topic on Anderson’s blog. Most comments are in favor of the bill, from what I can see.
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/21/latest-birther-move-a-good-idea-or-a-waste-of-time/
Luke’s saintliness must help you maintain a stable b.p. I can’t even watch Anderson Cooper talk about hurricanes.
Almost nothing about the constitution is cut and dry these days, cause the left wing loony judges are apt to cobble up anything to get the ruling they want.
There is certainly a good bit of evidence that the term natural born citizen was intended to be used for children born to parents who were both citizens, and under the jurisdiction of the United States, (born in country).
This is an issue about which there could be debate, and it has never been settled in court or constitutional amendment.
greeneyes is absolutely correct.
You mean Gloria Vanderbilt.
no doubt one of those “flaws” in our system that Obama studied up on.
no.. I was quoting someone else. When Heritage.org and Mark Levin get heated over this issue it's time to listen. There are more Constitutional scholars on birther threads than walking the halls of the Supreme Court. These guys will argue preConstitutional British common law because of the Founding Fathers' "intent" and they expect people to listen to them.
Unless the Supreme Court decides otherwise, there are only 2 types of citizens. Those who were not born citizens but earned citizenship sometime after birth (naturalized) and those born with citizenship whether here to foreign parents or abroad to US parents. If you gained citizenship at birth you are a natural born citizen and all this crazy talk otherwise is nothing but wasted bandwidth.
Thanks for the acknowledgement. I did a lot of reasearch on the meaning of NBC before the 2008 election.
Maybe someone already chimed in, but if you check rxsid’s comments, he posts often on this topic and has some good summaries that explain this clearly. Maybe he’ll post it on this thread.
The very short version is that the men who wrote the Constitution, and educated people in general, knew the accepted meaning of natural born citizen to mean one born on the soil, to parents who were themselves citizen. It’s like the word “arms” in the Constitution - everyone knew what “arms” meant, so there was no need of a definition or court decision.
Courtesy ping to rxsid.
Some people on FR just haven’t gotten up to speed yet, and there are a fair number of trolls about this issue, quite a few have gotten banned. There are freepers who have done incredible research on this and now it’s getting a lot more traction and notice.
Time after time the hosts of national talk shows, and their guests as well, are too ignorant on the subject to understand that it isn't about the birth certificate and place of birth, but about being a natural born citizen.
As long as the general public is kept in the dark as to the actual issue the longer that the issue can be pushed aside as a "kook/conspiracy/tin foil hat" issue. The moment that a legitimate debate on the issue of natural born citizen is entered into the public will know that the media fronted 'bitspeak' of "he was born in Hawaii" was all a ruse to begin with to keep them in the dark and as ignorant as they pretend to be.
We used to watch cartoons where you had to follow the bouncing ball to sing along with the song. Which cartoon of a news show is going to be brave enough to first broach the subject? I can't say, but it doesn't look good. So far neither any 'news person', nor their news agency, has shown the testicular fortitude to step up to the plate and inform their fellow Americans on the issue. There are no balls on my television screen any more.
The media as a whole, including FOX, is just as complicit and as negligent in not addressing this as Congress.
6 states have eligibility bills pending - AZ, FL, GA, IN, NH, and SC. If passed, some will merely require the production of a birth certificate - while others will require production of documentation that proves the candidate satisfies ALL of the Presidential requirements of Article II, Section I of the Constitution ...
BTW, the one running CNN (John Klein) made Lou Dobbs air the lie that there is no original BC because all HI records were destroyed when the state added electronic issuance of CoLBs. John Klein is a liar extraordinaire and made Lou Dobbs push his lie. ... I was so shocked that I personally called HI's department of vital records. They maintain a vault for original records. Klein is a liar. Lou Dobbs was a dupe. Cooper is a sexual degenerate who will air whatever he is told to air. Truth means nothing to CNN or the people working there.
Technically, The left would love it if the Repubs ran a German rightwinger.......Hitler was a rightwinger.
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Yes...Hitler wanted to take over the world. Obama wants the world to take over us.
Hitler was a socialist, lefty, Nazi was a socialist party...not too many of those on the right unless you listen to the MSM and the leftys....LOL at those ignorants that call Hitler a right winger...publix skool student from 1960’s or later......
It is the “Secrecy by the Colleges & Universities that educated our current President” that BAFFLES Me!
Thanks.
There is already talk of running Jindal, whose parents were both citizens of India when he was born in the US of A. He’s not eligible either.
There’s the deep 6 on all of these lawsuits so why isn’t our side screaming from the rafters? This stinks really bad to me but it seems we are getting the cold shoulder on the issue from all sides, including Rush and that other guy that says “specificity” ALL the time. What do they know about the issue that we don’t? And you’d think if it were true, that some young congressman would step up (be assigned) and at least bring such a grave Constitutional issue to the fore in the House, to at least get the ball rolling.
All we get is crickets.
This whole thing really has me scratching my head.
PS- I liked how AZ voted.
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