Posted on 04/07/2010 3:12:46 AM PDT by Swordmaker
This is precisely the same set of tactics that conservatives on this board and elsewhere complain (and rightfully so) about the leftists using.
Disagree with me all you like. I prefer to do business with honest people, not amoral assholes.
I guess you don’t do business with Bill Gates, then? His behavior, from the early years right up to the DOJ action, were not pretty at all. He still remains a leftist.
His company was the literal 800 lb. gorilla in the marketplace for a long time, and they used it to roll any number of smaller companies, including Apple.
History ... you should look into it.
Sure. I know successful people who are nice too.
But if you only do business with nice guys who can’t run a business, then you won’t do any business at all.
And “FYI” , where is your PROOF that “MOST business leaders operated that way”? Is it from your extensive business experience with successful businessmen at the turn of the last century?
That is an assertion, your OPINION, not a statement of fact.
Go back and read what I wrote. You’re reading ‘too fast’. Also, my points have nothing to do with ‘cost’.
The typical portable user, the OS is really irrellevant. Lets face it, as long as I can work on the documents I need to work on, check my email and look at my pictures and watch movies and download porn, I’m golden.
That’s the typical user model for the majority of PCs.
This isn’t 1995 anymore, OS is not important to the end user, because compatibility issues with file formats etc are not what they were.
No doubt iPhone OS is not OSX or Win 7, but it is a framework that gives the end user what they will need for most portable users.
As I said time will tell, but the user interaction of the iPhone OS is game changing, and placing it on a tablet is a game changer for the tablet space and likely could bring it very main stream.
Like I said, time will tell.. could be lightning in a bottle, or could be a doorstop. If it performs as promised, I’d put it toward the prior, if it doesn’t, it will be the latter.
I suspect I know more about the history of the PC era than you do. In the case of Gates vs. Jobs, Gates is definitely the lesser of two evils. As I said in the original post, Gates never screwed/over up his friends/business partners, Jobs has.
Good.
"But if you only do business with nice guys who can’t run a business, then you won’t do any business at all."
How about doing business with honest people who CAN run a business?? My partners and I are squeakingly honest, and we try to live up not just to the letter of our agreements, but the spirit, as well. Same for the gentleman (and he IS a gentleman) I referred to previously. Our business is successful, and has been for the past 15 years.
And yes, we've gotten screwed a few times when we entered into agreements with other folks who operated the other way. Funny thing about that, though, once they were cut off from our continuing ability to provide innovations, the things they tried to do have mostly failed, or been seriously slowed down.
"And “FYI” , where is your PROOF that “MOST business leaders operated that way”? Is it from your extensive business experience with successful businessmen at the turn of the last century?"
It's called "having read history". And I would bet that even today, a majority of business owners operate on the basis of honesty. They may not be a constitute a majority of business capitalizion, but as a percentage of business owners/operators, they are.
"That is an assertion, your OPINION, not a statement of fact."
Well, true, but that opinion is based on an extensive amount of reading.
I guess my ethical and moral standards are a bit higher than yours.
There are no ethical or moral standards where I need to stick my nose into other people's business where it doesn't directly relate to me and where society has no need either in preserving the overall well-being of society, legally or morally.
I see way too many people sticking their noses into everyone else's business where it's simply a matter of one person not liking how another handles himself. And then we have the liberalists and socialist, where they figure that "your business is their business" ... LOL...
Sorry, I'm not getting into the liberal, leftists viewpoint of "your business is my business."
I figure you stay out of my business and I stay out of your business.
There are times when we have some important societal matters to deal with and we do so, as a society (naturally and rightfully so), but if you're an SOB, that's your business... go ahead and be one for all I care... LOL ...
If you break some laws and you get prosecuted, that's one thing, but if you're a jerk, no one can stand to be around you, everyone hates you, you are considered to be the worst person who has ever existed in the human race as far as getting along with people -- I simply don't care and don't want to be bothered!... :-)
Yeah, and it is precisely that attitude on the part of British capitalists that gave birth to Marxism. Unless business is kept honest, society loses in the long run. Economists as early as Adam Smith understood that dangers of “balls to the wall” capitalism. “I’ve got mine, Jack, and you can go to hell”. No thanks.
I find it to be an interesting gadget, but it won’t replace a laptop for the overwhelming majority of business users.
Exactly, the attck on morality and the church will destroy capitalism as much as any other entity.
Lord knows what I see that passes as ethical out of business school graduates these days is laughably inadequate.
Capitalism is an “ism” left to its own devices without anything regulating and overseeing it, can and will be just as destructive as any other “ism”.
Yes. I am very well read on history too, Wonder Warthog.
It is a matter of record that many of the men who built the industrial base of this country, while not the evil robber barons they were portrayed to be, were not squeaky clean shrinking violets, either.
Many of them had no problem getting down and slugging it out in the industrial trenches.
Actually, there are. Not much in the modern computing hardware, but in the design, materials and construction of the cases. That machined aluminum just rocks above all other laptops, period.
That’s OK, they got stuck in that niche, but much of the computer industry simply shrugs and says, “Er, pretty, but I can do that on my PC.”
I could drive from here to California in my little commuter econo-car just the same as I could in a Mercedes sedan. But I think I'd prefer to take the Mercedes, better user experience.
And like a good company Apple isn't concentrating on marketshare, but making money. Its little niche has turned out to be much more profitable than others in the business.
Unless business is kept honest, society loses in the long run.
Sorry, but being a "sorry specimen for a human being" and being a "total SOB" -- is not a matter for society to deal with, in regards to laws and ethics -- either inside companies or outside companies (in someone's home, either)... LOL ...
That's purely up to however a company wants to run things for itself, and is a company's own business, and how successful it wants to be... and no one should interfere there.
And you'll notice that I already said that if someone breaks the law, that's one thing -- but other than that -- I absolutely don't care if they are the worst human being in the world, because it makes no difference to me, when I'm buying products from a company.
I'm buying "products" and I'm not buying their "qualities as a human being".... LOL ...
If someone wants to work on their "human being qualities" -- they can go to church and pray to God. They work on those things in church, doncha know.
Companies are not churches and if SOBs work there -- that's fine -- as (once again) -- I absolutely don't care how many SOBs a company has, when it is not a legal matter or a societal matter that it has no business controlling.
I only care about the product that I'm buying and how much it costs and if it's worth it for me and if it represents a good quality product in what it does.
And for what I've seen and used and experienced directly -- Apple has that, with their products -- such that I'm more than happy to buy their products.
Meanwhile, OS X knows all of its hardware, and the enterprise utilities will make valid images specificially for those machines, correct drivers and all.
Getting the computer one step more towards being a brain-dead consumer device rather than a geek toy. The fact that most people need a geek to keep their computer going shows the need.
It has it's niche in the marketplace.
I'd say computer-to-plate has a lot to do with it. Those imagesetters and their film were expensive and time-consuming to work with. IIRC, there's straight computer-to-press now, the press writes the offset image right on the drum surface then starts printing.
Ummmm.... “sun comes up” = it’s morning ... :-)
Well, that is what am I trying to determine. What is your point?
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