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A black future
ScienceNews ^ | 12/19/09 | Tom Siegfried

Posted on 12/05/2009 4:26:01 PM PST by KevinDavis

Shortly after the first of the year (if not already), the Large Hadron Collider — the most powerful particle accelerator ever built — will smash protons together at record energies. If the Earth remains intact, doomsayers will once again have been falsified. Every time they forecast the demise of the planet, those prophets of Earthly annihilation prove themselves no more foresightful than mortgage bankers or phony psychics.

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencenews.org ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: cosmology; lhc; particleaccelerator; physicalcosmology; physics; quantumphysics; quantunsingularity; science; space; stringtheory; theoreticalphysics
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We should have never shutdown the one in Texas...
1 posted on 12/05/2009 4:26:02 PM PST by KevinDavis
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2 posted on 12/05/2009 4:27:01 PM PST by KevinDavis (Can't Stop the Signal!)
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We should have never shutdown the one in Texas...

Clinton did that in Waxahatchi when it was half built-stupid decision, another stupid decision.


3 posted on 12/05/2009 4:33:10 PM PST by Cordio
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We should have never shutdown the one in Texas...

Mostly because if it had created a mini black hole that destroyed 10,000 square miles of Texas, no one would have noticed. :)

4 posted on 12/05/2009 4:36:02 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("If you cannot pick it up and run with it, you don't really own it." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: KevinDavis

I guess if or when they produce a black hole or another big bang it should take just a blink of the eye and we will all be toast.


5 posted on 12/05/2009 4:36:43 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: KevinDavis

The LHC can supposedly produce collisions with energy of around 7x10^12 eV. The hightest ultra-high energy cosmic rays, however, are around 3x10^20 eV. That gives cosmic rays, which have been hitting the earth for billions of years, about 40 billion times the energy that the LHC can produce. So far, no earth-gobbling black holes. Another thing, collisions at very near the speed of light produce secondary particles also travelling near the speed of light. So any black holes created as a result would fly through the earth and into space in less than a second. Thirdly, there Hawking radiation. A black hole of such low mass would evaporate in a nano-second at most.


6 posted on 12/05/2009 4:39:07 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

That would be 40 million I mean.


7 posted on 12/05/2009 4:41:55 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Theorhetically mini black holes are produced naturally all the time but they dissipate in nanoseconds. As I understand it, black holes require a certain ammount of mass for them to be sustained.


8 posted on 12/05/2009 4:44:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: KevinDavis

Another example of science playing around with nature and not knowing the after effects.


9 posted on 12/05/2009 4:44:32 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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black holes require a certain ammount of mass for them to be sustained.

Yeah, but is that mass a rock, a planet, or does it require a whole galaxy? It's important to know these things.

10 posted on 12/05/2009 4:47:29 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: KevinDavis

Who knows? It may open a doorway to a parallel universe.


11 posted on 12/05/2009 4:48:16 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

That’s science and its how we ended up with nuclear reactors.


12 posted on 12/05/2009 4:48:57 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek

That’s because of Hawking radiation. The smaller a black hole is, the quicker it evaporates. The rate of evaporation becomes exponential with mass loss, and anything lighter than about a mountain will not gain further mass because the radiation pressure will exceed its gravity. But at that point, it won’t last long anyway. Hawking theorized all this using generally-accepted physics.


13 posted on 12/05/2009 4:49:07 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: cripplecreek

We need to be very careful when dealing with the fundemental forces of the universe.


14 posted on 12/05/2009 4:50:13 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Thanx.

Nice clear explanation.


15 posted on 12/05/2009 4:54:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek

We need to calculate whether any “side effects” may happen during these experiements.


16 posted on 12/05/2009 4:55:25 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: KevinDavis

Look at the bright side - the collider may save us from global warming!


17 posted on 12/05/2009 4:58:47 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

If it opens a door to another universe, it solves all our problems...just send all liberals and democrats there. But we better know how to shut that doorway first..or they will just stream back in, without taxes to pay for their pet projects they’d be toast as a total population..


18 posted on 12/05/2009 5:05:20 PM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny

Well, we would need to find a parallel Earth where life never took hold to stick them there.


19 posted on 12/05/2009 5:07:03 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

How unusual. A little wisdom on a science thread for a change.

Thank you very much.


20 posted on 12/05/2009 7:56:10 PM PST by onedoug
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