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Europe's first farmers replaced their Stone Age hunter-gatherer forerunners
University College London ^ | Sep 3, 2009 | Unknown

Posted on 09/03/2009 11:47:19 AM PDT by decimon

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1 posted on 09/03/2009 11:47:19 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Linearbandkeramik ping.


2 posted on 09/03/2009 11:48:08 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

That seems to have been the pattern on this continent also.


3 posted on 09/03/2009 11:52:10 AM PDT by Busywhiskers ("Every normal man must be tempted at times to hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats" -Henr)
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Actually, it appears to have been the pattern everywhere.

China, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Africa, South America, etc.

The difference is that when non-white peoples displace non-white peoples a neutral verb like “replace” is used, as in the headline and in Jason Diamond’s famous book Guns, Germs and Steel.

When white people displace non-white people as in USA and Oz, suddenly emotive and pejorative words like “invade,” “conquer” and “genocide” are more appropriate.


4 posted on 09/03/2009 1:01:40 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: decimon
Pretty simple really.
Women chose to have children with men who could supply a stable source of food in order to raise said children without them starving.

Besides, women decided that carrying the tents while following the migrating herds really sucked.

5 posted on 09/03/2009 1:16:29 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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"For the first time we are now able to directly compare the genes of these Stone Age Europeans, and what we find is that some DNA types just aren't there - despite being common in Europeans today."

Erich von Däniken, please call the office! ;^)

6 posted on 09/03/2009 2:04:10 PM PDT by Grut
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Thanks decimon.
Analysis of ancient DNA from skeletons suggests that Europe's first farmers... probably migrated into major areas of central and eastern Europe about 7,500 years ago...
...somebody ring up Ryan and Pitman. :')

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7 posted on 09/03/2009 3:39:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Hey, I've only posted this twice this week...
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

8 posted on 09/03/2009 3:42:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: decimon

INTREP


9 posted on 09/03/2009 4:03:57 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: decimon

I have posting LBK stuff for years, where were you? Get into Human Sacrifice, Cannibalism, and early organized warfare and it gets better.


10 posted on 09/03/2009 4:09:58 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Little Bill
I have posting LBK stuff for years...

What is LBK?

11 posted on 09/03/2009 4:40:33 PM PDT by decimon
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"When white people displace non-white people as in USA and Oz, suddenly emotive and pejorative words like “invade,” “conquer” and “genocide” are more appropriate."

Yup.

Worthless White people.

They're attacking all White people now after the successful 35+ years war against White males that was conducted by White females and joined by all other races.

The War Against Boys

12 posted on 09/03/2009 5:26:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: decimon
Linearbandkeramik Culture (LBK)
The First Farmers of Europe
13 posted on 09/03/2009 5:28:37 PM PDT by blam
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To: decimon

I like the terminology the anthropologists use. The IndoEuropeans invaded Europe about 7,500 years ago and (replaced) the original inhabitants. Replaced means killed, raped, took as slaves, and otherwise removed them from the face of the Earth.

One wonders what kind of a world we would live in if the original Europeans had driven the IndoEuropeans back to Carpathia?


14 posted on 09/03/2009 5:36:12 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine
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This theory/idea contradicts the studies of Professor Stephan Oppenheimer outlined in his book, The Origins Of The British

He says that 85% of the DNA in the British Isles is very ancient and goes back to day one, 12-16,000 years ago. They absolutely were not replaced by farmer invaders. Farming moved, not the farmers.

His studies elsewhere indicate that once a DNA type (The original) settles into a region it is seldom replaced.

I highly recommend Oppenheimers book:

""This book challenges some of our longest held assumptions about the differences between Anglo-Saxons and Celts – perceived differences that have informed our collective sense of identity.Orthodox history has long taught that the Romans found a uniformly Celtic population throughout the British Isles, but that the peoples of the English heartland fell victim to genocide by the Anglo-Saxon hordes during the fifth and sixth centuries."

"Now Stephen Oppenheimer’s groundbreaking genetic research has revealed that the ‘Anglo-Saxon invasion’ contributed only a tiny fraction to the English gene pool. In fact, three quarters of English people can trace an unbroken line of genetic descent through their parental genes from settlers arriving long before the introduction of farming."

15 posted on 09/03/2009 5:55:13 PM PDT by blam
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But the 12-16000 year time frame may not translate into the FIRST farmers in Europe, since the first “modern” humans arrived there 45,000 years ago.


16 posted on 09/03/2009 6:59:21 PM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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"But the 12-16000 year time frame may not translate into the FIRST farmers in Europe, since the first “modern” humans arrived there 45,000 years ago."

I don't understand what you're saying.

BTW, my dad's mother, Mrs Smith, was related to Cheddar Man, both are mtDNA haplotype U5a.

I'm yDNA halpotype R1b DYS390-23, which indicates I came out of the Iberian Ice Age refuge and made my way to Denmark then later to Ireland, possibly as a Viking.

17 posted on 09/03/2009 7:11:33 PM PDT by blam
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To: decimon

Hmmm, so I wonder if the Indo-Europeans were these first farmers or a later group that fill in the supposed missing DNA needed to make modern Europeans.


18 posted on 09/04/2009 7:09:11 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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Hey Zulu---how about going back 32,000 years---and these works of genius were not done by "farmers"


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19 posted on 09/04/2009 8:17:35 AM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

They may not have gotten as far as Britain, but one theory I’ve seen is that farmers from the Black Sea region migrated up the Danube valley after the Bosporus dam broke and flooded the region around the Sea. Same theory that others pushed east, ultimately to Tocharia. The time frame would seem to fit with this paper.


20 posted on 09/04/2009 9:58:16 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Martha's Vineyard is great! Hey, honey, let's take a drive . . . .)
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