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Haggis was invented by the English, not the Scottish, says historian
The Telegraph ^ | 8/2/2009 | Simon Johnson

Posted on 08/02/2009 2:02:52 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Before being hijacked by Scottish nationalists

Catherine Brown has discovered references to the dish in a recipe book dated 1615, The English Hus-wife by Gervase Markham.

This was published at least 171 years before Robert Burns penned his poem Address to a Haggis, which made the delicacy famous.

The first mention she could find of Scottish haggis was in 1747, indicating that the dish originated south of the Border and was later copied from English books.

Ms Brown, whose findings feature in a TV documentary broadcast this week, said: "It was originally an English dish. In 1615, Gervase Markham says that it is very popular among all people in England.

"By the middle of the 18th century another English cookery writer, Hannah Glasse, has a recipe that she calls Scotch haggis, the haggis that we know today."

But reference to haggis in a 1771 novel by Tobias Smollett, The Expedition of Humphry Clinker, showed it was considered a Scottish dish by the late 18th century.

The English hero of the story says: "I am not yet Scotchman enough to relish their singed sheep's head and haggis."

Haggis, which is made from a mixture of oatmeal, liver, heart and lungs, is not the first Scottish icon said to originate from England.

In his last book before his death, Hugh Trevor-Roper, the eminent historian, wrote that the kilt's inventor was a Quaker from Lancashire.

Ms Brown believes that Scottish nationalists may have appropriated haggis as a symbol of their nationhood in the decades following the Act of Union with England in 1707.

"It seems to be that there's an identity thing there. We'd lost our monarchy, we'd lost our parliament and we gained our haggis," she said.

"There was a latching onto everything that was distinctive about Scotland,

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To: Mad Dawgg

Dated an Icelandic woman for a couple of years. They have a similar culinary treat whose name I’ve forgotten. Had to pretend to like it. She was gorgeous.


21 posted on 08/02/2009 3:01:48 PM PDT by CaptRon
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG worthy?


22 posted on 08/02/2009 3:11:26 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: bruinbirdman

THAT BE HERESY!

Address To A Haggis
Fair fa’ your honest, sonsie face,
Great chieftain o’ the puddin-race!
Aboon them a’ ye tak your place,
Painch, tripe, or thairm:
Weel are ye wordy o’ a grace
As lang’s my arm.

The groaning trencher there ye fill,
Your hurdies like a distant hill,
Your pin wad help to mend a mill
In time o’ need,
While thro’ your pores the dews distil
Like amber bead.

His knife see rustic Labour dight,
An’ cut you up wi’ ready sleight,
Trenching your gushing entrails bright,
Like ony ditch;
And then, O what a glorious sight,
Warm-reekin, rich!

Then, horn for horn,
they stretch an’ strive:
Deil tak the hindmost! on they drive,
Till a’ their weel-swall’d kytes belyve,
Are bent lyke drums;
Then auld Guidman, maist like to rive,
“Bethankit!” ‘hums.

Is there that owre his French ragout
Or olio that wad staw a sow,
Or fricassee wad mak her spew
Wi’ perfect sconner,
Looks down wi’ sneering, scornfu’ view
On sic a dinner?

Poor devil! see him ower his trash,
As feckless as a wither’d rash,
His spindle shank, a guid whip-lash,
His nieve a nit;
Thro’ bloody flood or field to dash,
O how unfit!

But mark the Rustic, haggis fed,
The trembling earth resounds his tread.
Clap in his walie nieve a blade,
He’ll mak it whissle;
An’ legs an’ arms, an’ heads will sned,
Like taps o’ thrissle.

Ye Pow’rs wha mak mankind your care,
And dish them out their bill o’ fare,
Auld Scotland wants nae skinking ware
That jaups in luggies;
But, if ye wish her gratefu’ prayer,
Gie her a haggis!


23 posted on 08/02/2009 3:16:21 PM PDT by dynachrome (I am Jim Thompson!)
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How about some year old rotten shark.

rotten shark

24 posted on 08/02/2009 3:26:53 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: dynachrome
Reads like someone who likes Laudanum as much as haggis..

yitbos

25 posted on 08/02/2009 3:26:58 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: bruinbirdman

What? You canna read Robert Burns, Poet?

Well, dinna fash yourself, laddie, here be the recipe:

“Take the liver, lungs & heart of a sheep and boil them. Mince the meats and mix with chopped onions, toasted oatmeal, salt, pepper, and spices. Take one properly cleaned sheep’s stomach. Stuff the cleaned stomach with the prepared contents. Sew up the stomach (leaving enough room for expansion to avoid a large messy explosion) and boil. Serve and eat. Lovely !”


26 posted on 08/02/2009 3:31:02 PM PDT by dynachrome (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: CaptRon
She was gorgeous.

They all are!

Regards,
GtG

27 posted on 08/02/2009 4:09:22 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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28 posted on 08/02/2009 4:28:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Whoops! Missed ya. Thanks Fractal Trader! Pinged it.


29 posted on 08/02/2009 4:30:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

I always suspected it was a dirty Sassenach plot!


30 posted on 08/02/2009 4:34:44 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks, Civ,

Gastronomic History is always fascinating!


31 posted on 08/02/2009 5:03:21 PM PDT by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * PALIN * JINDAL * CANTOR 2012)
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Thanks to SunkenCiv for the ping!

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32 posted on 08/02/2009 6:10:43 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - one victim of murderous regime)
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To: bruinbirdman

This does not surprise me I discovered that the Irish actually invented the bag pipe and sent one to Scotland telling them it was a MUSICAL INSTRUMENT.The Scotch responded by sending a ball and clubs to ireland and said this was GOLF and it was a game...


33 posted on 08/02/2009 6:21:54 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: bruinbirdman

Proof of more abuse of the Scots by the Sassenachs.

Invented a poisonous dish and made them eat it til they liked it.

Or perhaps the Scots took to it out of perverse humor to show the Sassenachs they could eat it.


34 posted on 08/02/2009 6:41:27 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: bruinbirdman
The Brits have been redefining Scots history for years. They have fits when it doesn't work. Tartan is an example. Today most Brit Historians swear that tartan was not invented until the late 15 hundreds and ignore swatches of hand woven tartan and plaid found on Celtic peoples in the Talkla Makhan Desert ( Urumchi Mummies that are 4000 years old).

Haggis, British? Why didn't Shakespeare write a poem about it then, as Burns did later?( It was a Scottish workman's meal, they couldn't afford to buy real meat in Scotland, occasionally rustling it on the hoof, which is why the Blackwatch came into existence. That rustlinng also gave the Brits fits, by scourging the Brit beef markets).)

Its more bullshite from the colonial historians.

The Brits still haven't learned to roll their own oats.

35 posted on 08/02/2009 6:53:11 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: sionnsar

Eeew.


36 posted on 08/02/2009 7:20:21 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If the worst that Barack Obama does is ruin the economy, I will breathe a sigh of relief." Sowell)
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To: Candor7

I roll my own oats (rye, spelt, wheat) with a flattener-thingie that came with my high-end mixer-blender-processor. Another reason to look forward to winter - all those good hot cereals!


37 posted on 08/02/2009 7:21:59 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If the worst that Barack Obama does is ruin the economy, I will breathe a sigh of relief." Sowell)
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To: Tax-chick
Oh, it's not that bad. Tastes like liver, but LoM likes it. De gustibus non dispundandum est, especially when one gets hungry.

Amusing though, the thought that a native English dish disappeared from England to live on in Scotland. Unchanged. (For counter-example, lookup the fishy history of ketchup/catsup.)

38 posted on 08/02/2009 7:28:10 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - one victim of murderous regime)
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To: sionnsar

I don’t like liver. On the other hand, I’ve never been *that* hungry.

The fact that English written sources have an earlier mention than Scottish written sources doesn’t prove anything, anyway. With literacy so spotty, they could have had stargates and we wouldn’t have a record!


39 posted on 08/02/2009 7:31:04 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If the worst that Barack Obama does is ruin the economy, I will breathe a sigh of relief." Sowell)
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To: SunkenCiv

I must admit I’m unfamiliar with this, so I looked it up and have decided I will pass on eating haggis, lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis


40 posted on 08/02/2009 7:39:09 PM PDT by rdl6989
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