Posted on 07/28/2009 1:25:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
When Anglo-Saxons first arrived in Britain 1,600 years ago, they created an apartheid-like society that oppressed the native Britons and wiped out almost all of the British gene pool, according to a new study. By treating Britons like slaves and imposing strict rules, the small band of Anglo-Saxons -- who had come from what is now Germany, Denmark, and the Netherlands -- quickly dominated the country, leaving a legacy of Germanic genes and the English language, both of which still dominate Britain today. The new theory helps explain historical, archaeological, and genetic evidence that until now had seemed contradictory, including the high number of Germanic genes found in modern-day England... Historical and archaeological data suggest that no more than 200,000 Anglo-Saxons arrived in Britain around the middle of the fourth century A.D. This is less than half of the 500,000 newcomers that genetic models suggest would be needed to swamp the gene pool of the native Britons, who are believed to have numbered around two million. And yet Germanic genes are abundant in the English population today. Genetic studies have shown that more than 50 percent of England's gene pool contains Germanic Y chromosomes... But the researchers say 200,000 Anglo-Saxons could have dominated the English gene pool in less than 15 generations if the newcomers held a higher social standing... But not everyone agrees with the team's theory. Alex Burghart, an Anglo-Saxon historian at Kings College London, thinks that "apartheid" is far too strong a word... Sarah Foot, a medieval historian at England's University of Sheffield, also thinks the word "apartheid" is unwarranted. But she believes the research has merit.
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My maternal haplotype is N. Little bit of Mediterranean influence. Probably kidnapped by Basque pirates.
I wonder who the “native” Britons mostly wiped out, enslaved, and dominated when they crossed into Britain?
And the Anglo Saxons weren’t treated all that kindly by the Norman French, when they invaded in turn. Can you say “esne”?
If only those nasty, evil white male Anglo Saxons had lived up to their obligations under the Geneva Convention... but, I understand the Helvetii were too busy planning to invade Switzerland to enforce it.
Anglo-Saxons didn’t invent these practices; they were a normal risk of life: kill the surving fighters; enslave the ones fit to work; divvy up the women, gold, and cattle; burn the rest.
“The Book of Invasions” contains a somewhat mythologized version of four or five waves of people who took over in succession.
besides Rome’s two major walls (Hadrian’s, and the Antonine Wall), there were:
best known-
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/offasdyke/index
related to this topic because:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1832542/posts?page=35#35
and, hundreds of years older-
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/wansdyke/index
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/watsdyke/index
Clare Places: Islands: Mutton Island or Enniskerry
(9th century catastrophe in Ireland)
Clare County Library | prior to November 19, 2005 | staff writer
Posted on 11/18/2005 11:58:58 AM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1524751/posts
Exploration of underwater forest [Loch Tay]
BBC | Tuesday, July 15, 2008 | unattributed
Posted on 07/16/2008 10:42:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2046747/posts
I love haiku.
So true. I have said most of us were named, Hey you!, until the last 300 or 400 years. That is most of us, except for 57% of 'Skipppy Gates' royal white relatives in Ireland. Ha ha.
Location Number
DYS393 13
DYS19 14
DYS391 11
DYS439 11
DYS389-1 13
DYS389-2 16
DYS388 11
DYS390 24
DYS426 12
DYS385a 11
DYS385b 14
DYS392 14 [particularly “Irish”]
Is there an inexpensive test used to find out your haplotype?
The book I posted in my post #5 has some beautiful distribution maps of the various migrating waves out of the Iberian refuge. In fact, you can tell from the DNA distributions when the English Channel finally opened up and isolated the continental R1b's from the Isles R1b's, etc.
Yes. I, and others here have used the National Geographic/IBM Service that I've linked below. It costs $107.00 each to have your y and mt DNA checked.
The Genographic Project (Have Your DNA Checked, Find Your Roots)
Location Number
Pharmboy-------blam
DYS393 13------14*
DYS19 14-------14
DYS391 11------11
DYS439 11------12*
DYS389-1 13----13
DYS389-2 16----15*
DYS388 11------12*
DYS390 24------23*
DYS426 12------12
DYS385a 11-----11
DYS385b 14-----14
DYS392 14------13*
It recalls Mark Twain’s observation that the Civil War was started by Ivanhoe.
I guess that comparison shows we’re cousins a few hundred times removed on our father’s side...your paternal line originating in Scandinavia and mine in Ireland.
We share quite a few alleles. I’m a DYS19 14, a DYS385a 11, DYS385b 15, DYS392 13 and a DYS439 12. I match the Basques more than I do the Irish, which stands to reason, given the migration patterns 12,000 years ago.
See #35 blam. We’re practically brothers.
Hey...you, me and blam could have had the same ancestor 35k years ago cleaning Neandertals out of caves.
Or throwing spears at mammoths and sabretooths.
Amazing how related we all are. Cholera Joe, what is your DYS390 ___ number?
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