Targeting Lost Causers

Old Virginia Blog ^ | 06/09/2009 | Richard Williams

[Davy Buck]

My oh my, what would the critics, the Civil War publications, publishers, and bloggers do if it weren't for the bad boys of the Confederacy and those who study them and also those who wish to honor their ancestors who fought for the Confederacy?

[stand watie]

i'm saying that NOTHING that you post can be thought to be TRUTHFUL, absent POSITIVE, independent PROOF.

your reputation for DECEIT is equal to or greater than that of "DUH, snake". neither of you are HONEST.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

"take a hike",VULGAR-talking LOUT.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

coming from YOU, LOUT, that is complimentary, as you are a KNOWN buffoon & BIGOT.

free dixie,sw

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

i'm saying that NOTHING that you post can be thought to be TRUTHFUL, absent POSITIVE, independent PROOF.

So you want the link to to where you said, on March 23, that you'd ordered the book? Because I can do that.

Can you provide positive, independent proof that there's such a book as "Yachts Against Subs"?

By the way, who is Maryelissa Tyrona Brown-Bollin? Do you know?

[stand watie]

IF you are correct (and you KNOW that you are NOT correct) about this subject, WHY have about TWO DOZEN of "the members in good standing" of "the DAMNyankee Coven" been PERMANENTLY banned from FR for "for cause", i.e., MISBEHAVIOR/DISHONESTY/BIGOTRY???

fwiw, we southerners have had exactly ONE person banned = "nolo chan" who was banned for DIRECTLY QUOTING the words of "your sainted lincoln".

free dixie,sw

[Non-Sequitur]

IF you are correct (and you KNOW that you are NOT correct) about this subject, WHY have about TWO DOZEN of "the members in good standing" of "the DAMNyankee Coven" been PERMANENTLY banned from FR for "for cause", i.e., MISBEHAVIOR/DISHONESTY/BIGOTRY???

The real question is why you haven't been banned. God looks out for drunks and fools, I guess.

[4CJ]

Before you start calling people names, you ought to read the history.

History? Bwahahahaha! A magazine, like Newsweek or Time? According to the constitution and laws of Virginia, the "rump" legislature with 38 members lacked the numbers to form a quorum (79 in the House and 26 in the Senate), rendering any legislation illegal.

[rockrr]

I think I will pass Squattie. Why don’t you get one of your female friends to make me...oh, that’s right - you don’t have any female friends. I wonder why that is...?

[Ditto]

According to the constitution and laws of Virginia, the "rump" legislature with 38 members lacked the numbers to form a quorum (79 in the House and 26 in the Senate), rendering any legislation illegal.

All I presented is what happened. You can disagree with the legality of it if you choose, but it still happened anyway. The Virginia rump legislature existed from 1861-65, they legally represented those parts of Virginia that were loyal to the Union, they were recognized and seated in Congress.

I understand you do not like those facts, but don't go slamming the messenger as 'uninformed' or stupid for simply presenting those facts. History does not need to conform to your fantasies of what it should have been. And a simple 'thank-you' for telling you something you obviously never knew before would be fine.

[TexConfederate1861]

A.P. Hill DID wear a red battle shirt...but not with a Tunic....... :)

[4CJ]

All I presented is what happened.

You claimed, 'The "Southern" states that reatified were either pro-Union rump legislatures such as the Virginia Legislature (located in Alexandria) or provisional governments appointed by the President.

Tennessee ratified 7 Apr 1865 AD. The legislature that ratified was elected 4 Mar 1865 AD.

Louisiana ratified 17 Feb 1865 AD. The legislature that ratified was elected 5 Sep 1864 AD.

[mojitojoe]

Excerpts, more to come each and every day, just for you NS

There is probably no more revealing aspect of a man's character than that given by the opinion's of those who work for him.

HISTORY OF THE LIFE of Rev. Wm. Mack Lee

I was raised by one of the greatest men in the world. There was never one born of a woman greater than Gen. Robert E. Lee, according to my judgment. All of his servants were set free ten years before the war, but all remained on the plantation until after the surrender.

I was born June 12, 1835, Westmoreland County, Va.; 82 years ago. I was raised at Arlington Heights, in the house of General Robert E. Lee, my master. I was cook for Marse Robert, as I called him, during the civil war and his body servant. I was with him at the first battle of Bull Run, second battle of Bull Run, first battle of Manassas, second battle of Manassas and was there at the fire of the last gun for the salute of the surrender on Sunday, April 9, 9 o'clock, A. M., at Appomatox, 1865.

The following is a list of co-generals who fought with Marse Robert in the Confederate Army: Generals Stonewall Jackson, Early, Longstreet, Kirby, Smith, Gordon from Augusta, Ga. Beauregard from Charleston, S. C., Wade Hampton, from Columbia, S. C., Hood, from Alabama, Ewell Harrison from Atlanta, Ga., Bragg, cavalry general from Chattanooga, Tenn., Wm. Mahone of Virginia, Pickett, Forest, of Mississippi, Mosby, of Virginia, Willcox, of Tennessee, Lyons, of Mississippi, Charlimus, of Mississippi, Sydney Johnston, Fitzhugh Lee, nephew of Marse Robert, and Curtis Lee, his son.

The writer of this little book, the body servant of Gen. Robert E. Lee, had the pleasure of feeding all these men at the headquarters in Petersburg, the battles of Decatur, Seven Pines, the Wilderness, on the plank road between Fredericksburg and Orange County Court House, Chancellorsville, The Old Yellow Tavern, in the Wilderness, Five Forks, Cold Harbor, Sharpsburg, Boonesville, Gettysburg, New Market, Mine Run, Cedar Mountain, Civilian, Louisa Court House, Winchester and Shenandoah Valley.

At the close of the struggle, General Lee said to General Grant: "Grant, you didn't whip me, you just overpowered me, I surrender this day 8,000 men; I do not surrender them to you, I surrender on conditions; it shall not go down in history I surrendered the Northen Confederate Army of Virginia to you. It shall go down in history I surrendered on conditins; you have ten men to my one; my men, too, are barefooted and hungry. If Joseph E. Johnston could have gotten to me three days ago I would have cut my way through and gone back into the mountains of North Carolina and would have given you a happy time." What these conditions were I do not know, but I know these were Marse Robert's words on the morning of the surrender: "I surrender to you on conditions."

Lee's Body Servant Here. "Rev. William Mack Lee, one of the best known colored men in the South, is in town this week making an effort to raise funds to complete the payment on his church near Norfolk. He is a Baptist minister and built the church at a cost of $5,500, of which all has been paid except about $500, and he wants to raise this before he returns home.

"He was born on the plantation of Gen. Robert E. Lee, in Westmoreland County, 81 years ago, and at the outbreak of the civil war went to the front as the body servant of his distinguished master. He cooked and waited on the Southern chieftian during the entire four years of the war, being with him at the surrender at Appomatox.

The fact that the war had set him free was of small moment to him, and he stayed with his old master until his death. He is a negro of the old type, distinguished looking, polite in manner, and, despite his age, is straight, firm of step and bids fair to serve his congregation for many more years. The first day he was in town, he went to the old Burwell homestead, now the home of Mr. John Ballard, because he and his master had stopped there while on a visit to Bedford, soon after the war, and was greatly disappointed to find that the last member of the Burwell family was dead.

[mojitojoe]

To some the Confederate flag, is still part of their family history. Many of us had family that fought in the civil war for the south, and there is nothing wrong with honoring those who have passed.The confederate flag can be a symbol of heritage, of country life, of getting dirty and working hard, country music, good friends, family, things like that. Southern life is not about honoring slavery. It's about honoring heritage. Some people just can't understand that.I am damn proud of being Southern...and proud of her history, heritage, symbols, and way of life. And apologize to no one for the said honor!

a side note about slavery.. Ulysses S. Grant owned slaves that were not freed until the Emancipation Proclamation. Where as Robert E. Lee owned slaves that were actually freed in 1862, three years before the Emancipation Proclamation.

[Non-Sequitur]

HISTORY OF THE LIFE of Rev. Wm. Mack Lee

Been wading through Southron fantasy sites again, I see? Ah yes, Willie Mack Lee. The man who gives a whole new meaning to the word "bullsh*t". Let's look at his memoirs. Especially this tale:

"The onliest time that Marse Robert ever scolded me," said William Mack Lee, "in de whole fo' years dat I followed him through the wah, was, down in de Wilderness--Seven Pines-- near Richmond. I remembah dat day jes lak it was yestiday. Hit was July the third, 1863.

"Whilst we was in Petersburg, Marse Robert had done got him a little black hen from a man and we named the little black hen Nellie. She was a good hen, and laid mighty nar every day. We kep' her in de ambulants, whar she had her nest.

"On dat day--July the third--we was all so hongry and I didn't have nuffin in ter cook, dat I was jes' plumb bumfuzzled. I didn't know what to do. Marse Robert, he had gone and invited a crowd of ginerals to eat wid him, an' I had ter git de vittles. Dar was Marse Stonewall Jackson, and Marse A. P. Hill, and Marse D. H. Hill, and Marse Wade Hampton, Gineral Longstreet, and Gineral Pickett and sum others.

"I had done made some flanel cakes, a little tea, and some lemonade, but I 'lowed as how dat would not be enuff fo' dem gemm'n. So I had to go out to de ambulants and cotch de little black hen, Nellie.

There was a tear in William Mack Lee's voice, but in his eye I fancied that I saw the happy light that always dances in the eyes of his race at the thought of a fowl for cooking.

"I jes' had to go out and cotch little Nellie. I picked her good, and stuffed her with breod stuffin, mixed wid butter. Nellie had been gwine wid us two years, and I hated fer to lose her. We had been gettin' all our eggs from Nellie.

"Well, sir, when I brung Nellie inter de commissary tent and set her fo' Marse Robert he turned to me right fo' all dem gimmin and he says: 'William, now you have killed Nellie. What are we going to do for eggs?"

"'I jes' had ter do it, Marse Robert.' says I.

'No, you didn't William; I'm going to write Miss Mary about you. I'm going to tell her you have killed Nellie.'

"Marse Robert kep' on scoldin' me mout dat hen. He never scolded 'bout naything else. He tol' me I was a fool to kill de her whut lay de golden egg. Hit made Marse Robert awful sad ter think of anything bein' killed, whedder der 'twas one of his soljers, or his little black hen."

Note the date - July 3, 1863. And the location - Seven Pines. And the guest list - General Stonewall Jackson. On July 3rd in 1863 Lee was not outside of Richmond, he was ordering Pickett's men to charge outside Gettysburg. And I imagine that General Jackson didn't have much to eat considering he'd been dead for well over a month.

[Non-Sequitur]

Tennessee ratified 7 Apr 1865 AD. The legislature that ratified was elected 4 Mar 1865 AD.

Louisiana ratified 17 Feb 1865 AD. The legislature that ratified was elected 5 Sep 1864 AD.

Considering those date you don't think that those legislatures weren't pro-Union rump legislatures?

[Non-Sequitur]

Please keep them coming. It's becoming almost a 'joke of the day' kind of thing.

a side note about slavery.. Ulysses S. Grant owned slaves that were not freed until the Emancipation Proclamation.

Not entirely correct. Grant owned a single slave that he emancipated in 1859 when he moved to Illinois. He wife's family, the Dents, owned a number of slaves and Mrs. Grant had the use of several of them during much of her adult life. Those slaves were not freed by the Emancipation Proclamation because Missouri was exempt. But the Dent family did free their slaves early in 1863, shortly after the Emancipation Proclamation took effect.

Where as Robert E. Lee owned slaves that were actually freed in 1862, three years before the Emancipation Proclamation.

Robert Lee freed is slaves the last week in December 1862. Several months after his father-in-law's will required him to do so...and only a few days before the Emancipation Proclamation took effect. Not three years.

[usmcobra]

Try to remember this the next time you slander me on these types of threads Stand, you posted to me first not the other way around......

The most significant difference between the USA and the CSA.....

The USA won it’s independence from it’s mother country.

To hear most of you lost causers speak the CSA’s independence was like welfare, something the federal government of the USA owed you for being good little citizens.

[central_va]

To hear most of you lost causers speak the CSA’s independence was like welfare, something the federal government of the USA owed you for being good little citizens.

Might makes right......

[TexConfederate1861]

In all fairness, the old gentleman might have not remembered the correct date, NS. It doesn’t make the account false.

[usmcobra]

I have always stated that I consider the south method of secession to be unsound and stupid but I have also said they had a right to secede, they just did it wrong.

Right does make might as well, if you cause is just and your goals are admirable the support you will need will be there.

In the end the south couldn’t even buy the support they needed to win because of the issue of slavery.

Defending the indefensible is stupid, but don’t let that slow you down....